From shaun.sayer at xtra.co.nz Mon Nov 28 07:52:48 2011 From: shaun.sayer at xtra.co.nz (Shaun Sayer) Date: Mon Nov 28 07:53:12 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> Message-ID: <005401ccad35$c2407d60$46c17820$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> Thanks for the clarification on this Mr President. We wait in anticipation for our Patron's response. :-) But on a more serious note..... For those vollynetter's whose Brigades were not represented at conference this year, I urge you to make sure a representative is at conference next year. There was discussion regarding the voting numbers at conference and for a Quorum to be meet there needs to be a minimum of 40% of the UFBA members represented. I believe we were mighty close to being less than 40% this year and if there hadn't been the 23 odd proxies then we may not have had a Quorum. Please consider attending the New Plymouth conference next year on the weekend of 16-18 November. Shaun Sayer Delegate - Foxton VFB -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Sayer Family Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011 5:39 p.m. To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 A point of order has been raised regarding said AGM. There is some dispute over Regulation 4.36 of the Vollynet constitution, and it would appear that due to a quorum not having been reached the AGM is constitutionally a non-event. It would appear that we may need to reschedule it for next year. We are awaiting notification from the Patron regarding this. Daryl Shayne Kennedy wrote: >VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >---------------------------------------------------------------- >If you wish to know that urgently Ithe happenings i suggest you call your delegate or wait on them to be published > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 27/11/2011, at 12:40 PM, Malcolm McLeod wrote: > >> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> I strongly object to Ian Kng being described as both "right" and "Honourable" !!!!!!!!!! >> >> I would also like to see the minutes of said AGM published on Vollynet, for those of us who were unable to make it.....although I am sure I can guess them! >> >> From: Shaun Sayer >> To: jgmarks@xtra.co.nz; VollyNet >> Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2011 10:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 >> >> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The AGM of vollynet has been held. Thanks to all who attended. The officers were elected .... >> >> Patron - the right honourable Ian King >> President - Daryl Sayer >> Administrator - Geoff Marks >> Executive - Mark "the Lurker" Stewart ; Bruce Nilson ; Shaun Sayer >> >> Geoff and Jude Marks wrote: >> >>> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >>> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Introductions >>> >>> Bill English opened conference - talked about lessons learned by agencies working together during the Christchurch Earthquake. >>> >>> UFBA looking at offering 3 years leave to Brigade members affected by the Earthquake. >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 25/11/11, Geoff and Jude Marks wrote: >>> >>>> From: Geoff and Jude Marks >>>> Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 >>>> To: "VollyNet" >>>> Date: Friday, 25, November, 2011, 12:56 PM >>>> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT >>>> VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >>>> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Hi All >>>> >>>> Conference 2011 is about to stated - Lunch is now being >>>> served - Kick off at 14:00 >>>> >>>> Geoff >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles >>>> >>>> ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of >>>> personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise >>>> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 From ed at hintz.org Mon Nov 28 07:58:22 2011 From: ed at hintz.org (Edmund Hintz) Date: Mon Nov 28 07:58:33 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> Message-ID: <4ED2884E.6080302@hintz.org> On 11/27/11 5:39 PM, Sayer Family wrote: > A point of order has been raised regarding said AGM. There is some dispute over Regulation 4.36 of the Vollynet constitution, and it would appear that due to a quorum not having been reached the AGM is constitutionally a non-event. > > It would appear that we may need to reschedule it for next year. We are awaiting notification from the Patron regarding this. Clearly the Vollynet organization is irresponsible at best, as displayed by this shocking breech of protocol. One wonders, when faced with such apparent incompetence, if instead malice is to blame. Year after year, we get all these promises, and yet here we are. I have yet to see a single bottle of beer arrive on my station from Vollynet, let alone a 12pack. It's all talk and no action with these jokers. Maybe it's time for a new organization. One that REALLY cares about us volunteers. And nets. -- Regards, Ed Hintz ed@hintz.org From MRStewart at dow.com Mon Nov 28 08:51:14 2011 From: MRStewart at dow.com (Stewart, Mark (MR)) Date: Mon Nov 28 08:51:42 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: <005401ccad35$c2407d60$46c17820$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> <005401ccad35$c2407d60$46c17820$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: Morning all Hi Chris and other watchers, I agree with Shaun on this try to get all your brigades representatives to the New Plymouth conference. It is a good time to catch up with the vollynetters and it is a chance for your brigade to have a voice. Beer Ed I saw no large amounts of beer must be a nasty story. Shaun do you no about this beer? Mark the Lurker -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Shaun Sayer Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 7:53 a.m. To: 'VollyNet' Subject: RE: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the clarification on this Mr President. We wait in anticipation for our Patron's response. :-) But on a more serious note..... For those vollynetter's whose Brigades were not represented at conference this year, I urge you to make sure a representative is at conference next year. There was discussion regarding the voting numbers at conference and for a Quorum to be meet there needs to be a minimum of 40% of the UFBA members represented. I believe we were mighty close to being less than 40% this year and if there hadn't been the 23 odd proxies then we may not have had a Quorum. Please consider attending the New Plymouth conference next year on the weekend of 16-18 November. Shaun Sayer Delegate - Foxton VFB -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Sayer Family Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011 5:39 p.m. To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 A point of order has been raised regarding said AGM. There is some dispute over Regulation 4.36 of the Vollynet constitution, and it would appear that due to a quorum not having been reached the AGM is constitutionally a non-event. It would appear that we may need to reschedule it for next year. We are awaiting notification from the Patron regarding this. Daryl Shayne Kennedy wrote: >VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >---------------------------------------------------------------- >If you wish to know that urgently Ithe happenings i suggest you call your delegate or wait on them to be published > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 27/11/2011, at 12:40 PM, Malcolm McLeod wrote: > >> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> I strongly object to Ian Kng being described as both "right" and "Honourable" !!!!!!!!!! >> >> I would also like to see the minutes of said AGM published on Vollynet, for those of us who were unable to make it.....although I am sure I can guess them! >> >> From: Shaun Sayer >> To: jgmarks@xtra.co.nz; VollyNet >> Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2011 10:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 >> >> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The AGM of vollynet has been held. Thanks to all who attended. The officers were elected .... >> >> Patron - the right honourable Ian King >> President - Daryl Sayer >> Administrator - Geoff Marks >> Executive - Mark "the Lurker" Stewart ; Bruce Nilson ; Shaun Sayer >> >> Geoff and Jude Marks wrote: >> >>> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >>> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Introductions >>> >>> Bill English opened conference - talked about lessons learned by agencies working together during the Christchurch Earthquake. >>> >>> UFBA looking at offering 3 years leave to Brigade members affected by the Earthquake. >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 25/11/11, Geoff and Jude Marks wrote: >>> >>>> From: Geoff and Jude Marks >>>> Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 >>>> To: "VollyNet" >>>> Date: Friday, 25, November, 2011, 12:56 PM >>>> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT >>>> VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >>>> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Hi All >>>> >>>> Conference 2011 is about to stated - Lunch is now being >>>> served - Kick off at 14:00 >>>> >>>> Geoff >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles >>>> >>>> ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of >>>> personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise >>>> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From mcollins500 at yahoo.com.au Mon Nov 28 09:11:39 2011 From: mcollins500 at yahoo.com.au (Mark Collins) Date: Mon Nov 28 09:11:57 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for In-Reply-To: <01d701ccac9a$40be34d0$c23a9e70$@co.nz> References: <01d701ccac9a$40be34d0$c23a9e70$@co.nz> Message-ID: <1322424699.37506.YahooMailNeo@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I agree. I have had dealings with this guy for years. Last seen a month ago in Hamilton, ( bused from Wellington ! ), escorted back. Hope the system works for him this time. MC ________________________________ From: Stephen To: 'VollyNet' Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2011 4:19 PM Subject: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10768949&ref=r ss ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From jgmarks at xtra.co.nz Mon Nov 28 09:27:58 2011 From: jgmarks at xtra.co.nz (Marks Family) Date: Mon Nov 28 09:28:19 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: <005401ccad35$c2407d60$46c17820$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> <005401ccad35$c2407d60$46c17820$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <1322425678.2758.3.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> I totally agree with you Shaun - the creditability of the conference is compromised when a quorum is only just achieved. > For those vollynetter's whose Brigades were not represented at conference > this year, I urge you to make sure a representative is at conference next > year. There was discussion regarding the voting numbers at conference and > for a Quorum to be meet there needs to be a minimum of 40% of the UFBA > members represented. I believe we were mighty close to being less than 40% > this year and if there hadn't been the 23 odd proxies then we may not have > had a Quorum. From pitchey at xtra.co.nz Mon Nov 28 11:29:58 2011 From: pitchey at xtra.co.nz (John Pitchford) Date: Mon Nov 28 11:30:12 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for In-Reply-To: <1322424699.37506.YahooMailNeo@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <01d701ccac9a$40be34d0$c23a9e70$@co.nz> <1322424699.37506.YahooMailNeo@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001ccad54$18520bb0$48f62310$@co.nz> Now living in the Carterton area I hear. -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Mark Collins Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 9:12 a.m. To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- I agree. I have had dealings with this guy for years. Last seen a month ago in Hamilton, ( bused from Wellington ! ), escorted back. Hope the system works for him this time. MC ________________________________ From: Stephen To: 'VollyNet' Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2011 4:19 PM Subject: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10768949&ref=r ss ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From sayerfamilynz at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 12:10:43 2011 From: sayerfamilynz at gmail.com (Daryl & Catherine Sayer) Date: Mon Nov 28 12:11:00 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: <1322425678.2758.3.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> <1322425678.2758.3.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> Message-ID: Another worthwhile Conference is over. There was little in the way of contentious issues this year. Probably the main "issue" that could potentially have raised its head in a big way was the Model Rules review. It was clear from Board Member Carlyon's report that most of the many submissions that have been received by the UFBA (both formally and informally) have been taken into account. The one part of this that was generating discussion pre-conference was the separation of the roles of CFO and management committee chair - it appears that the new rules are likely to state that ordinarily the CFO would be the chair, with the option of an elected chair being an option, if required. One item of interest that may appeal to those who were in favour of a non-CFO chair of the management committee is the soon to be commenced discussion between the NZFS and the UFBA regarding fixed term (renewable) contracts for CFOs. I also reiterate the importance of getting delegates to Conference. It is not just the content of the Conference, but the networking opportunities that are available - it's a great place to gauge how other brigades deal with situations or operational matters you may encounter. Perhaps Vollynetters who are in brigades that did not send a delegate could provide reasons as to why they didn't send one, so that the organisation may look at how to improve attendance. Next year's Conference will be a week earlier, with the Board looking at making it earlier in future years - is it just that it is too close to Christmas, or are there other factors? It appears that Vollynet is being monitored by other organisations - it was mentioned a number of times throughout the Conference. Perhaps it is a valuable source of measuring what the "man (or woman) on the ground" is thinking about volunteer issues. Keep up the healthy discussion!! Daryl Sayer Conference Delegate for Sumner On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Marks Family wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > I totally agree with you Shaun - the creditability of the conference is > compromised when a quorum is only just achieved. > > > > For those vollynetter's whose Brigades were not represented at > conference > > this year, I urge you to make sure a representative is at conference > next > > year. There was discussion regarding the voting numbers at conference > and > > for a Quorum to be meet there needs to be a minimum of 40% of the UFBA > > members represented. I believe we were mighty close to being less than > 40% > > this year and if there hadn't been the 23 odd proxies then we may not > have > > had a Quorum. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > From nigel at ihug.co.nz Mon Nov 28 12:15:30 2011 From: nigel at ihug.co.nz (Nigel Lilley) Date: Mon Nov 28 12:15:41 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com><1322425678.2758.3.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> Message-ID: Fantastic words Daz - and I can assure you it is monitored - I am sure to those present at conference that this is clearly evident, given the last day of Conference's proceedings. Enough said. -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Daryl & Catherine Sayer Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 12:11 p.m. To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Another worthwhile Conference is over. There was little in the way of contentious issues this year. Probably the main "issue" that could potentially have raised its head in a big way was the Model Rules review. It was clear from Board Member Carlyon's report that most of the many submissions that have been received by the UFBA (both formally and informally) have been taken into account. The one part of this that was generating discussion pre-conference was the separation of the roles of CFO and management committee chair - it appears that the new rules are likely to state that ordinarily the CFO would be the chair, with the option of an elected chair being an option, if required. One item of interest that may appeal to those who were in favour of a non-CFO chair of the management committee is the soon to be commenced discussion between the NZFS and the UFBA regarding fixed term (renewable) contracts for CFOs. I also reiterate the importance of getting delegates to Conference. It is not just the content of the Conference, but the networking opportunities that are available - it's a great place to gauge how other brigades deal with situations or operational matters you may encounter. Perhaps Vollynetters who are in brigades that did not send a delegate could provide reasons as to why they didn't send one, so that the organisation may look at how to improve attendance. Next year's Conference will be a week earlier, with the Board looking at making it earlier in future years - is it just that it is too close to Christmas, or are there other factors? It appears that Vollynet is being monitored by other organisations - it was mentioned a number of times throughout the Conference. Perhaps it is a valuable source of measuring what the "man (or woman) on the ground" is thinking about volunteer issues. Keep up the healthy discussion!! Daryl Sayer Conference Delegate for Sumner On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Marks Family wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > I totally agree with you Shaun - the creditability of the conference is > compromised when a quorum is only just achieved. > > > > For those vollynetter's whose Brigades were not represented at > conference > > this year, I urge you to make sure a representative is at conference > next > > year. There was discussion regarding the voting numbers at conference > and > > for a Quorum to be meet there needs to be a minimum of 40% of the UFBA > > members represented. I believe we were mighty close to being less than > 40% > > this year and if there hadn't been the 23 odd proxies then we may not > have > > had a Quorum. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4042 - Release Date: 11/27/11 From shayne at trainforsafety.com Mon Nov 28 12:27:03 2011 From: shayne at trainforsafety.com (Shayne Kennedy) Date: Mon Nov 28 12:27:27 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> <1322425678.2758.3.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> Message-ID: Hi Daz Good words in fact ill take it one step further and say that instead of some people sitting on the sidelines and sniping get involved come to the conferences or better get on the board be constructive. Tua On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Nigel Lilley wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Fantastic words Daz - and I can assure you it is monitored - I am sure to > those present at conference that this is clearly evident, given the last > day > of Conference's proceedings. Enough said. > > -----Original Message----- > From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz > [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Daryl & Catherine > Sayer > Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 12:11 p.m. > To: VollyNet > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Another worthwhile Conference is over. There was little in the way of > contentious issues this year. Probably the main "issue" that could > potentially have raised its head in a big way was the Model Rules review. > It was clear from Board Member Carlyon's report that most of the many > submissions that have been received by the UFBA (both formally and > informally) have been taken into account. > > The one part of this that was generating discussion pre-conference was the > separation of the roles of CFO and management committee chair - it appears > that the new rules are likely to state that ordinarily the CFO would be the > chair, with the option of an elected chair being an option, if required. > > One item of interest that may appeal to those who were in favour of a > non-CFO chair of the management committee is the soon to be commenced > discussion between the NZFS and the UFBA regarding fixed term (renewable) > contracts for CFOs. > > I also reiterate the importance of getting delegates to Conference. It is > not just the content of the Conference, but the networking opportunities > that are available - it's a great place to gauge how other brigades deal > with situations or operational matters you may encounter. > > Perhaps Vollynetters who are in brigades that did not send a delegate could > provide reasons as to why they didn't send one, so that the organisation > may look at how to improve attendance. Next year's Conference will be a > week earlier, with the Board looking at making it earlier in future years - > is it just that it is too close to Christmas, or are there other factors? > > It appears that Vollynet is being monitored by other organisations - it was > mentioned a number of times throughout the Conference. Perhaps it is a > valuable source of measuring what the "man (or woman) on the ground" is > thinking about volunteer issues. Keep up the healthy discussion!! > > Daryl Sayer > Conference Delegate for Sumner > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Marks Family wrote: > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I totally agree with you Shaun - the creditability of the conference is > > compromised when a quorum is only just achieved. > > > > > > > For those vollynetter's whose Brigades were not represented at > > conference > > > this year, I urge you to make sure a representative is at conference > > next > > > year. There was discussion regarding the voting numbers at conference > > and > > > for a Quorum to be meet there needs to be a minimum of 40% of the UFBA > > > members represented. I believe we were mighty close to being less than > > 40% > > > this year and if there hadn't been the 23 odd proxies then we may not > > have > > > had a Quorum. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4042 - Release Date: 11/27/11 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > -- *Shayne Kennedy* *Director* * * ** *Train for Safety* Unit 1, 42 Forge Road, Silverdale | PO Box 862, Whangaparaoa *Mob: *021 567 210* * *Ph:* 09 428 2339 *Email:* shayne@trainforsafety.com From sayerfamilynz at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 12:33:11 2011 From: sayerfamilynz at gmail.com (Sayer Family) Date: Mon Nov 28 12:33:32 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 Message-ID: One thing I did forget to stress in my last email is the importance of every brigade having a look at the Model Rules in their draft form, and making submissions over the next few months. It is important that there be as much consideration by affected parties (i.e. you) as possible so that the best document possible results from the process. Daryl Nigel Lilley wrote: >VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Fantastic words Daz - and I can assure you it is monitored - I am sure to >those present at conference that this is clearly evident, given the last day >of Conference's proceedings. Enough said. > >-----Original Message----- >From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz >[mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Daryl & Catherine >Sayer >Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 12:11 p.m. >To: VollyNet >Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 > >VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Another worthwhile Conference is over. There was little in the way of >contentious issues this year. Probably the main "issue" that could >potentially have raised its head in a big way was the Model Rules review. >It was clear from Board Member Carlyon's report that most of the many >submissions that have been received by the UFBA (both formally and >informally) have been taken into account. > >The one part of this that was generating discussion pre-conference was the >separation of the roles of CFO and management committee chair - it appears >that the new rules are likely to state that ordinarily the CFO would be the >chair, with the option of an elected chair being an option, if required. > >One item of interest that may appeal to those who were in favour of a >non-CFO chair of the management committee is the soon to be commenced >discussion between the NZFS and the UFBA regarding fixed term (renewable) >contracts for CFOs. > >I also reiterate the importance of getting delegates to Conference. It is >not just the content of the Conference, but the networking opportunities >that are available - it's a great place to gauge how other brigades deal >with situations or operational matters you may encounter. > >Perhaps Vollynetters who are in brigades that did not send a delegate could >provide reasons as to why they didn't send one, so that the organisation >may look at how to improve attendance. Next year's Conference will be a >week earlier, with the Board looking at making it earlier in future years - >is it just that it is too close to Christmas, or are there other factors? > >It appears that Vollynet is being monitored by other organisations - it was >mentioned a number of times throughout the Conference. Perhaps it is a >valuable source of measuring what the "man (or woman) on the ground" is >thinking about volunteer issues. Keep up the healthy discussion!! > >Daryl Sayer >Conference Delegate for Sumner > >On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Marks Family wrote: > >> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I totally agree with you Shaun - the creditability of the conference is >> compromised when a quorum is only just achieved. >> >> >> > For those vollynetter's whose Brigades were not represented at >> conference >> > this year, I urge you to make sure a representative is at conference >> next >> > year. There was discussion regarding the voting numbers at conference >> and >> > for a Quorum to be meet there needs to be a minimum of 40% of the UFBA >> > members represented. I believe we were mighty close to being less than >> 40% >> > this year and if there hadn't been the 23 odd proxies then we may not >> have >> > had a Quorum. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles >> >> ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of >> personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise >> >---------------------------------------------------------------- >MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > >ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of >personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4042 - Release Date: 11/27/11 > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > >ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of >personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From ed at hintz.org Mon Nov 28 12:33:40 2011 From: ed at hintz.org (Edmund Hintz) Date: Mon Nov 28 12:33:57 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> <1322425678.2758.3.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> Message-ID: <4ED2C8D4.5090909@hintz.org> On 11/28/11 12:27 PM, Shayne Kennedy wrote: > Good words in fact ill take it one step further and say that instead of > some people sitting on the sidelines and sniping get involved come to the > conferences or better get on the board be constructive. Well... I only get to go if the brigade elects me, which they didn't this time (mainly because we try to pass the gig around every few years, particularly to our up and coming SFFs-which was yours truly 3 years ago). So having done my 2, and having just been elected SO, it was time to pass that torch. But I'm still quite happy to jump into the fray around here... :) -- Regards, Ed Hintz ed@hintz.org From Paul.Butler at rbnz.govt.nz Mon Nov 28 12:41:33 2011 From: Paul.Butler at rbnz.govt.nz (Paul Butler) Date: Mon Nov 28 12:41:44 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for In-Reply-To: <01d701ccac9a$40be34d0$c23a9e70$@co.nz> References: <01d701ccac9a$40be34d0$c23a9e70$@co.nz> Message-ID: Any idea where this muppet has been bailed to? Back in the Wellington region by chance? -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011 1:20 p.m. To: 'VollyNet' Subject: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10768949&ref=r ss ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ****************************************************************************** "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand. If the recipient has any concerns about the content of this message they should seek alternative confirmation from the Reserve Bank of New Zealand." ****************************************************************************** From Paul.Butler at rbnz.govt.nz Mon Nov 28 12:43:03 2011 From: Paul.Butler at rbnz.govt.nz (Paul Butler) Date: Mon Nov 28 12:43:13 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for In-Reply-To: <000001ccad54$18520bb0$48f62310$@co.nz> References: <01d701ccac9a$40be34d0$c23a9e70$@co.nz> <1322424699.37506.YahooMailNeo@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000001ccad54$18520bb0$48f62310$@co.nz> Message-ID: Righto - should have read the latest post first. We will keep a very careful eye out for him. -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of John Pitchford Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 11:30 a.m. To: 'Mark Collins'; 'VollyNet' Subject: RE: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Now living in the Carterton area I hear. -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Mark Collins Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 9:12 a.m. To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- I agree. I have had dealings with this guy for years. Last seen a month ago in Hamilton, ( bused from Wellington ! ), escorted back. Hope the system works for him this time. MC ________________________________ From: Stephen To: 'VollyNet' Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2011 4:19 PM Subject: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10768949&ref=r ss ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ****************************************************************************** "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand. If the recipient has any concerns about the content of this message they should seek alternative confirmation from the Reserve Bank of New Zealand." ****************************************************************************** From tds_4 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 28 14:09:09 2011 From: tds_4 at hotmail.com (Tristan Saunders) Date: Mon Nov 28 14:09:25 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com>, <1322425678.2758.3.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P>, Message-ID: Daryl I too was suprised at the multiple reference to vollynet. I understand that there have been recent instances of people being held to account over things that theyve said on here and I question the validity of being able to do that in any official forum anymore than a contrary reply.. Sure one needs to be careful what one says, and be able to stand behind it, but it is opinion based, and no official view of any authority without it being stated as such. Maybe a sign of the reach of the forum.. > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:10:43 +1300 > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 > From: sayerfamilynz@gmail.com > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Another worthwhile Conference is over. There was little in the way of > contentious issues this year. Probably the main "issue" that could > potentially have raised its head in a big way was the Model Rules review. > It was clear from Board Member Carlyon's report that most of the many > submissions that have been received by the UFBA (both formally and > informally) have been taken into account. > > The one part of this that was generating discussion pre-conference was the > separation of the roles of CFO and management committee chair - it appears > that the new rules are likely to state that ordinarily the CFO would be the > chair, with the option of an elected chair being an option, if required. > > One item of interest that may appeal to those who were in favour of a > non-CFO chair of the management committee is the soon to be commenced > discussion between the NZFS and the UFBA regarding fixed term (renewable) > contracts for CFOs. > > I also reiterate the importance of getting delegates to Conference. It is > not just the content of the Conference, but the networking opportunities > that are available - it's a great place to gauge how other brigades deal > with situations or operational matters you may encounter. > > Perhaps Vollynetters who are in brigades that did not send a delegate could > provide reasons as to why they didn't send one, so that the organisation > may look at how to improve attendance. Next year's Conference will be a > week earlier, with the Board looking at making it earlier in future years - > is it just that it is too close to Christmas, or are there other factors? > > It appears that Vollynet is being monitored by other organisations - it was > mentioned a number of times throughout the Conference. Perhaps it is a > valuable source of measuring what the "man (or woman) on the ground" is > thinking about volunteer issues. Keep up the healthy discussion!! > > Daryl Sayer > Conference Delegate for Sumner > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Marks Family wrote: > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I totally agree with you Shaun - the creditability of the conference is > > compromised when a quorum is only just achieved. > > > > > > > For those vollynetter's whose Brigades were not represented at > > conference > > > this year, I urge you to make sure a representative is at conference > > next > > > year. There was discussion regarding the voting numbers at conference > > and > > > for a Quorum to be meet there needs to be a minimum of 40% of the UFBA > > > members represented. I believe we were mighty close to being less than > > 40% > > > this year and if there hadn't been the 23 odd proxies then we may not > > have > > > had a Quorum. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From adam.knezovic at yahoo.co.nz Mon Nov 28 14:22:23 2011 From: adam.knezovic at yahoo.co.nz (Adam Knezovic) Date: Mon Nov 28 14:22:39 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com>, <1322425678.2758.3.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P>, Message-ID: <005001ccad6c$3019eb60$904dc220$@yahoo.co.nz> Yes, I think you'd be pretty na?ve if you thought that others didn?t read or have access to VollyNet. A good leader always knows what is going on around him/her, and one way is to gather information, as information is power. And, you'd be pretty na?ve if you didn?t know that UFBA members are registered list subscribers, as aren't we all UFBA members? And, you'd be pretty na?ve to think that Commission or NZFS officials don?t read it either. The great thing about this forum, is people ARE reading it, if not contributing, and it is one way to voice concerns. I know for a fact that there is or are media people reading this as well (not counting you Ben). Caution to what you say or post would also be prudent. My views and/or opinions only. Thanks and regards -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Tristan Saunders Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 2:09 p.m. To: VollyNet Subject: RE: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Daryl I too was suprised at the multiple reference to vollynet. I understand that there have been recent instances of people being held to account over things that theyve said on here and I question the validity of being able to do that in any official forum anymore than a contrary reply.. Sure one needs to be careful what one says, and be able to stand behind it, but it is opinion based, and no official view of any authority without it being stated as such. Maybe a sign of the reach of the forum.. > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:10:43 +1300 > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 > From: sayerfamilynz@gmail.com > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For > information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Another worthwhile Conference is over. There was little in the way of > contentious issues this year. Probably the main "issue" that could > potentially have raised its head in a big way was the Model Rules review. > It was clear from Board Member Carlyon's report that most of the many > submissions that have been received by the UFBA (both formally and > informally) have been taken into account. > > The one part of this that was generating discussion pre-conference was > the separation of the roles of CFO and management committee chair - it > appears that the new rules are likely to state that ordinarily the CFO > would be the chair, with the option of an elected chair being an option, if required. > > One item of interest that may appeal to those who were in favour of a > non-CFO chair of the management committee is the soon to be commenced > discussion between the NZFS and the UFBA regarding fixed term > (renewable) contracts for CFOs. > > I also reiterate the importance of getting delegates to Conference. It > is not just the content of the Conference, but the networking > opportunities that are available - it's a great place to gauge how > other brigades deal with situations or operational matters you may encounter. > > Perhaps Vollynetters who are in brigades that did not send a delegate > could provide reasons as to why they didn't send one, so that the > organisation may look at how to improve attendance. Next year's > Conference will be a week earlier, with the Board looking at making it > earlier in future years - is it just that it is too close to Christmas, or are there other factors? > > It appears that Vollynet is being monitored by other organisations - > it was mentioned a number of times throughout the Conference. Perhaps > it is a valuable source of measuring what the "man (or woman) on the > ground" is thinking about volunteer issues. Keep up the healthy discussion!! > > Daryl Sayer > Conference Delegate for Sumner > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Marks Family wrote: > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For > > information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I totally agree with you Shaun - the creditability of the conference > > is compromised when a quorum is only just achieved. > > > > > > > For those vollynetter's whose Brigades were not represented at > > conference > > > this year, I urge you to make sure a representative is at > > > conference > > next > > > year. There was discussion regarding the voting numbers at > > > conference > > and > > > for a Quorum to be meet there needs to be a minimum of 40% of the > > > UFBA members represented. I believe we were mighty close to being > > > less than > > 40% > > > this year and if there hadn't been the 23 odd proxies then we may > > > not > > have > > > had a Quorum. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal > > opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal > opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From mike at firepumps.co.nz Mon Nov 28 14:48:04 2011 From: mike at firepumps.co.nz (Mike Harrison) Date: Mon Nov 28 14:48:33 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com>, <1322425678.2758.3.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P>, Message-ID: <2341DE94541048EC9DE99214D420F319@Miketoshiba> The best part of the forum is "freedom of expression" however if you post your thoughts you should always be prepared to back them up with facts or at least be prepared to be accountable for putting them on a public domain such as VollyNet. regards Mike -----Original Message----- From: Tristan Saunders Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:09 PM To: VollyNet Subject: RE: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Daryl I too was suprised at the multiple reference to vollynet. I understand that there have been recent instances of people being held to account over things that theyve said on here and I question the validity of being able to do that in any official forum anymore than a contrary reply.. Sure one needs to be careful what one says, and be able to stand behind it, but it is opinion based, and no official view of any authority without it being stated as such. Maybe a sign of the reach of the forum.. > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:10:43 +1300 > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 > From: sayerfamilynz@gmail.com > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Another worthwhile Conference is over. There was little in the way of > contentious issues this year. Probably the main "issue" that could > potentially have raised its head in a big way was the Model Rules review. > It was clear from Board Member Carlyon's report that most of the many > submissions that have been received by the UFBA (both formally and > informally) have been taken into account. > > The one part of this that was generating discussion pre-conference was the > separation of the roles of CFO and management committee chair - it appears > that the new rules are likely to state that ordinarily the CFO would be > the > chair, with the option of an elected chair being an option, if required. > > One item of interest that may appeal to those who were in favour of a > non-CFO chair of the management committee is the soon to be commenced > discussion between the NZFS and the UFBA regarding fixed term (renewable) > contracts for CFOs. > > I also reiterate the importance of getting delegates to Conference. It is > not just the content of the Conference, but the networking opportunities > that are available - it's a great place to gauge how other brigades deal > with situations or operational matters you may encounter. > > Perhaps Vollynetters who are in brigades that did not send a delegate > could > provide reasons as to why they didn't send one, so that the organisation > may look at how to improve attendance. Next year's Conference will be a > week earlier, with the Board looking at making it earlier in future > years - > is it just that it is too close to Christmas, or are there other factors? > > It appears that Vollynet is being monitored by other organisations - it > was > mentioned a number of times throughout the Conference. Perhaps it is a > valuable source of measuring what the "man (or woman) on the ground" is > thinking about volunteer issues. Keep up the healthy discussion!! > > Daryl Sayer > Conference Delegate for Sumner > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Marks Family wrote: > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I totally agree with you Shaun - the creditability of the conference is > > compromised when a quorum is only just achieved. > > > > > > > For those vollynetter's whose Brigades were not represented at > > conference > > > this year, I urge you to make sure a representative is at conference > > next > > > year. There was discussion regarding the voting numbers at conference > > and > > > for a Quorum to be meet there needs to be a minimum of 40% of the UFBA > > > members represented. I believe we were mighty close to being less than > > 40% > > > this year and if there hadn't been the 23 odd proxies then we may not > > have > > > had a Quorum. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From pitchey at xtra.co.nz Mon Nov 28 15:21:38 2011 From: pitchey at xtra.co.nz (John Pitchford) Date: Mon Nov 28 15:21:53 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for In-Reply-To: References: <01d701ccac9a$40be34d0$c23a9e70$@co.nz> Message-ID: <000901ccad74$75840660$608c1320$@co.nz> Ahem: "Now living in the Carterton area I hear." Johnno -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Paul Butler Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 12:42 p.m. To: 'VollyNet' Subject: RE: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Any idea where this muppet has been bailed to? Back in the Wellington region by chance? -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011 1:20 p.m. To: 'VollyNet' Subject: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10768949&ref=r ss ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise **************************************************************************** ** "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and may be legally privileged. 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Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From jgmarks at xtra.co.nz Mon Nov 28 20:41:26 2011 From: jgmarks at xtra.co.nz (Marks Family) Date: Mon Nov 28 20:41:39 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: <005001ccad6c$3019eb60$904dc220$@yahoo.co.nz> References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> , <1322425678.2758.3.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> , <005001ccad6c$3019eb60$904dc220$@yahoo.co.nz> Message-ID: <1322466086.2758.35.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> I agree you would have to be naive not to know that what you says on this forum is not read by the power to be and ivory tower dwellers and you need to be be willing to stand up in front of the crowd regardless of how hostile to voice your opinion. There is more I would like to say but feel I need to talk to my brigade first as I was acting as their delegate. Geoff On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 14:22 +1300, Adam Knezovic wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, I think you'd be pretty na?ve if you thought that others didn?t read or > have access to VollyNet. > A good leader always knows what is going on around him/her, and one way is > to gather information, as information is power. > And, you'd be pretty na?ve if you didn?t know that UFBA members are > registered list subscribers, as aren't we all UFBA members? > And, you'd be pretty na?ve to think that Commission or NZFS officials don?t > read it either. > > The great thing about this forum, is people ARE reading it, if not > contributing, and it is one way to voice concerns. I know for a fact that > there is or are media people reading this as well (not counting you Ben). > Caution to what you say or post would also be prudent. > > My views and/or opinions only. > Thanks and regards > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz > [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Tristan Saunders > Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 2:09 p.m. > To: VollyNet > Subject: RE: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For > information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Daryl I too was suprised at the multiple reference to vollynet. I understand > that there have been recent instances of people being held to account over > things that theyve said on here and I question the validity of being able to > do that in any official forum anymore than a contrary reply.. > > Sure one needs to be careful what one says, and be able to stand behind it, > but it is opinion based, and no official view of any authority without it > being stated as such. > > Maybe a sign of the reach of the forum.. > > > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:10:43 +1300 > > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 > > From: sayerfamilynz@gmail.com > > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For > > information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Another worthwhile Conference is over. There was little in the way of > > contentious issues this year. Probably the main "issue" that could > > potentially have raised its head in a big way was the Model Rules review. > > It was clear from Board Member Carlyon's report that most of the many > > submissions that have been received by the UFBA (both formally and > > informally) have been taken into account. > > > > The one part of this that was generating discussion pre-conference was > > the separation of the roles of CFO and management committee chair - it > > appears that the new rules are likely to state that ordinarily the CFO > > would be the chair, with the option of an elected chair being an option, > if required. > > > > One item of interest that may appeal to those who were in favour of a > > non-CFO chair of the management committee is the soon to be commenced > > discussion between the NZFS and the UFBA regarding fixed term > > (renewable) contracts for CFOs. > > > > I also reiterate the importance of getting delegates to Conference. It > > is not just the content of the Conference, but the networking > > opportunities that are available - it's a great place to gauge how > > other brigades deal with situations or operational matters you may > encounter. > > > > Perhaps Vollynetters who are in brigades that did not send a delegate > > could provide reasons as to why they didn't send one, so that the > > organisation may look at how to improve attendance. Next year's > > Conference will be a week earlier, with the Board looking at making it > > earlier in future years - is it just that it is too close to Christmas, or > are there other factors? > > > > It appears that Vollynet is being monitored by other organisations - > > it was mentioned a number of times throughout the Conference. Perhaps > > it is a valuable source of measuring what the "man (or woman) on the > > ground" is thinking about volunteer issues. Keep up the healthy > discussion!! > > > > Daryl Sayer > > Conference Delegate for Sumner > > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Marks Family wrote: > > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For > > > information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > I totally agree with you Shaun - the creditability of the conference > > > is compromised when a quorum is only just achieved. > > > > > > > > > > For those vollynetter's whose Brigades were not represented at > > > conference > > > > this year, I urge you to make sure a representative is at > > > > conference > > > next > > > > year. There was discussion regarding the voting numbers at > > > > conference > > > and > > > > for a Quorum to be meet there needs to be a minimum of 40% of the > > > > UFBA members represented. I believe we were mighty close to being > > > > less than > > > 40% > > > > this year and if there hadn't been the 23 odd proxies then we may > > > > not > > > have > > > > had a Quorum. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal > > > opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal > > opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion > only unless specifically stated otherwise > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From adam.knezovic at yahoo.co.nz Mon Nov 28 22:27:39 2011 From: adam.knezovic at yahoo.co.nz (Adam Knezovic) Date: Mon Nov 28 22:27:59 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: <1322466086.2758.35.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> , <1322425678.2758.3.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> , <005001ccad6c$3019eb60$904dc220$@yahoo.co.nz> <1322466086.2758.35.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> Message-ID: <000601ccadaf$fad35e20$f07a1a60$@yahoo.co.nz> And Geoff,, I applaud you for getting up and having your say. Well done. Thanks and regards -----Original Message----- From: Marks Family [mailto:jgmarks@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 8:41 p.m. To: adam.knezovic@yahoo.co.nz; VollyNet Subject: RE: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 I agree you would have to be naive not to know that what you says on this forum is not read by the power to be and ivory tower dwellers and you need to be be willing to stand up in front of the crowd regardless of how hostile to voice your opinion. There is more I would like to say but feel I need to talk to my brigade first as I was acting as their delegate. Geoff On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 14:22 +1300, Adam Knezovic wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For > information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, I think you'd be pretty na?ve if you thought that others didn?t > read or have access to VollyNet. > A good leader always knows what is going on around him/her, and one > way is to gather information, as information is power. > And, you'd be pretty na?ve if you didn?t know that UFBA members are > registered list subscribers, as aren't we all UFBA members? > And, you'd be pretty na?ve to think that Commission or NZFS officials > don?t read it either. > > The great thing about this forum, is people ARE reading it, if not > contributing, and it is one way to voice concerns. I know for a fact > that there is or are media people reading this as well (not counting you Ben). > Caution to what you say or post would also be prudent. > > My views and/or opinions only. > Thanks and regards > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz > [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Tristan > Saunders > Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 2:09 p.m. > To: VollyNet > Subject: RE: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For > information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Daryl I too was suprised at the multiple reference to vollynet. I > understand that there have been recent instances of people being held > to account over things that theyve said on here and I question the > validity of being able to do that in any official forum anymore than a contrary reply.. > > Sure one needs to be careful what one says, and be able to stand > behind it, but it is opinion based, and no official view of any > authority without it being stated as such. > > Maybe a sign of the reach of the forum.. > > > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:10:43 +1300 > > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 > > From: sayerfamilynz@gmail.com > > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For > > information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Another worthwhile Conference is over. There was little in the way > > of contentious issues this year. Probably the main "issue" that > > could potentially have raised its head in a big way was the Model Rules review. > > It was clear from Board Member Carlyon's report that most of the > > many submissions that have been received by the UFBA (both formally > > and > > informally) have been taken into account. > > > > The one part of this that was generating discussion pre-conference > > was the separation of the roles of CFO and management committee > > chair - it appears that the new rules are likely to state that > > ordinarily the CFO would be the chair, with the option of an elected > > chair being an option, > if required. > > > > One item of interest that may appeal to those who were in favour of > > a non-CFO chair of the management committee is the soon to be > > commenced discussion between the NZFS and the UFBA regarding fixed > > term > > (renewable) contracts for CFOs. > > > > I also reiterate the importance of getting delegates to Conference. > > It is not just the content of the Conference, but the networking > > opportunities that are available - it's a great place to gauge how > > other brigades deal with situations or operational matters you may > encounter. > > > > Perhaps Vollynetters who are in brigades that did not send a > > delegate could provide reasons as to why they didn't send one, so > > that the organisation may look at how to improve attendance. Next > > year's Conference will be a week earlier, with the Board looking at > > making it earlier in future years - is it just that it is too close > > to Christmas, or > are there other factors? > > > > It appears that Vollynet is being monitored by other organisations - > > it was mentioned a number of times throughout the Conference. > > Perhaps it is a valuable source of measuring what the "man (or > > woman) on the ground" is thinking about volunteer issues. Keep up > > the healthy > discussion!! > > > > Daryl Sayer > > Conference Delegate for Sumner > > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Marks Family wrote: > > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For > > > information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > I totally agree with you Shaun - the creditability of the > > > conference is compromised when a quorum is only just achieved. > > > > > > > > > > For those vollynetter's whose Brigades were not represented at > > > conference > > > > this year, I urge you to make sure a representative is at > > > > conference > > > next > > > > year. There was discussion regarding the voting numbers at > > > > conference > > > and > > > > for a Quorum to be meet there needs to be a minimum of 40% of > > > > the UFBA members represented. I believe we were mighty close to > > > > being less than > > > 40% > > > > this year and if there hadn't been the 23 odd proxies then we > > > > may not > > > have > > > > had a Quorum. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal > > > opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal > > opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal > opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal > opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From jgmarks at xtra.co.nz Tue Nov 29 18:00:41 2011 From: jgmarks at xtra.co.nz (Marks Family) Date: Tue Nov 29 18:01:11 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 - down loads now on UFBA web site In-Reply-To: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1322542841.1750.8.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> http://www.ufba.org.nz/events/reviews_results/presentations_from_the_133rd_annual_conference You need to sign in to access From shaun.sayer at xtra.co.nz Tue Nov 29 21:36:04 2011 From: shaun.sayer at xtra.co.nz (Shaun Sayer) Date: Tue Nov 29 21:36:09 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: <4ED2884E.6080302@hintz.org> References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> <4ED2884E.6080302@hintz.org> Message-ID: <007101ccae71$ef2700f0$cd7502d0$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> :-) -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Edmund Hintz Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 7:58 a.m. To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- On 11/27/11 5:39 PM, Sayer Family wrote: > A point of order has been raised regarding said AGM. There is some dispute over Regulation 4.36 of the Vollynet constitution, and it would appear that due to a quorum not having been reached the AGM is constitutionally a non-event. > > It would appear that we may need to reschedule it for next year. We are awaiting notification from the Patron regarding this. Clearly the Vollynet organization is irresponsible at best, as displayed by this shocking breech of protocol. One wonders, when faced with such apparent incompetence, if instead malice is to blame. Year after year, we get all these promises, and yet here we are. I have yet to see a single bottle of beer arrive on my station from Vollynet, let alone a 12pack. It's all talk and no action with these jokers. Maybe it's time for a new organization. One that REALLY cares about us volunteers. And nets. -- Regards, Ed Hintz ed@hintz.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4645 - Release Date: 11/28/11 From shaun.sayer at xtra.co.nz Tue Nov 29 21:36:45 2011 From: shaun.sayer at xtra.co.nz (Shaun Sayer) Date: Tue Nov 29 21:36:48 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> <005401ccad35$c2407d60$46c17820$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <007201ccae72$06f4e800$14deb800$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> Not too sure what you would be talking about there Mark??? :-) -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Stewart, Mark (MR) Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 8:51 a.m. To: VollyNet Subject: RE: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Morning all Hi Chris and other watchers, I agree with Shaun on this try to get all your brigades representatives to the New Plymouth conference. It is a good time to catch up with the vollynetters and it is a chance for your brigade to have a voice. Beer Ed I saw no large amounts of beer must be a nasty story. Shaun do you no about this beer? Mark the Lurker -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Shaun Sayer Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 7:53 a.m. To: 'VollyNet' Subject: RE: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the clarification on this Mr President. We wait in anticipation for our Patron's response. :-) But on a more serious note..... For those vollynetter's whose Brigades were not represented at conference this year, I urge you to make sure a representative is at conference next year. There was discussion regarding the voting numbers at conference and for a Quorum to be meet there needs to be a minimum of 40% of the UFBA members represented. I believe we were mighty close to being less than 40% this year and if there hadn't been the 23 odd proxies then we may not have had a Quorum. Please consider attending the New Plymouth conference next year on the weekend of 16-18 November. Shaun Sayer Delegate - Foxton VFB -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Sayer Family Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011 5:39 p.m. To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 A point of order has been raised regarding said AGM. There is some dispute over Regulation 4.36 of the Vollynet constitution, and it would appear that due to a quorum not having been reached the AGM is constitutionally a non-event. It would appear that we may need to reschedule it for next year. We are awaiting notification from the Patron regarding this. Daryl Shayne Kennedy wrote: >VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >---------------------------------------------------------------- >If you wish to know that urgently Ithe happenings i suggest you call your delegate or wait on them to be published > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 27/11/2011, at 12:40 PM, Malcolm McLeod wrote: > >> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> I strongly object to Ian Kng being described as both "right" and "Honourable" !!!!!!!!!! >> >> I would also like to see the minutes of said AGM published on Vollynet, for those of us who were unable to make it.....although I am sure I can guess them! >> >> From: Shaun Sayer >> To: jgmarks@xtra.co.nz; VollyNet >> Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2011 10:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 >> >> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The AGM of vollynet has been held. Thanks to all who attended. The officers were elected .... >> >> Patron - the right honourable Ian King >> President - Daryl Sayer >> Administrator - Geoff Marks >> Executive - Mark "the Lurker" Stewart ; Bruce Nilson ; Shaun Sayer >> >> Geoff and Jude Marks wrote: >> >>> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >>> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Introductions >>> >>> Bill English opened conference - talked about lessons learned by agencies working together during the Christchurch Earthquake. >>> >>> UFBA looking at offering 3 years leave to Brigade members affected by the Earthquake. >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 25/11/11, Geoff and Jude Marks wrote: >>> >>>> From: Geoff and Jude Marks >>>> Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 >>>> To: "VollyNet" >>>> Date: Friday, 25, November, 2011, 12:56 PM >>>> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT >>>> VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >>>> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Hi All >>>> >>>> Conference 2011 is about to stated - Lunch is now being >>>> served - Kick off at 14:00 >>>> >>>> Geoff >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles >>>> >>>> ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of >>>> personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise >>>> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4645 - Release Date: 11/28/11 From shaun.sayer at xtra.co.nz Tue Nov 29 21:38:26 2011 From: shaun.sayer at xtra.co.nz (Shaun Sayer) Date: Tue Nov 29 21:38:33 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for In-Reply-To: <1322424699.37506.YahooMailNeo@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <01d701ccac9a$40be34d0$c23a9e70$@co.nz> <1322424699.37506.YahooMailNeo@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007301ccae72$435cc600$ca165200$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> He's not in Foxton is he????!!!! -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Mark Collins Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 9:12 a.m. To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- I agree. I have had dealings with this guy for years. Last seen a month ago in Hamilton, ( bused from Wellington ! ), escorted back. Hope the system works for him this time. MC ________________________________ From: Stephen To: 'VollyNet' Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2011 4:19 PM Subject: [VollyNet] NEWS:- one to watch out for VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10768949&ref=r ss ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4645 - Release Date: 11/28/11 From jgmarks at xtra.co.nz Wed Nov 30 06:32:02 2011 From: jgmarks at xtra.co.nz (Marks Family) Date: Wed Nov 30 06:32:19 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: <007101ccae71$ef2700f0$cd7502d0$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> <4ED2884E.6080302@hintz.org> <007101ccae71$ef2700f0$cd7502d0$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <1322587922.1804.4.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> The Vollynet rules have been called in to question. I have found the original recording of the reading of the rules I think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 21:36 +1300, Shaun Sayer wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz > [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Edmund Hintz > Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 7:58 a.m. > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > On 11/27/11 5:39 PM, Sayer Family wrote: > > > A point of order has been raised regarding said AGM. There is some dispute > over Regulation 4.36 of the Vollynet constitution, and it would appear that > due to a quorum not having been reached the AGM is constitutionally a > non-event. > > > > It would appear that we may need to reschedule it for next year. We are > awaiting notification from the Patron regarding this. > > Clearly the Vollynet organization is irresponsible at best, as displayed > by this shocking breech of protocol. One wonders, when faced with such > apparent incompetence, if instead malice is to blame. Year after year, > we get all these promises, and yet here we are. I have yet to see a > single bottle of beer arrive on my station from Vollynet, let alone a > 12pack. It's all talk and no action with these jokers. > > Maybe it's time for a new organization. One that REALLY cares about us > volunteers. And nets. > From ed at hintz.org Wed Nov 30 09:12:25 2011 From: ed at hintz.org (Edmund Hintz) Date: Wed Nov 30 09:12:39 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: <1322587922.1804.4.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> <4ED2884E.6080302@hintz.org> <007101ccae71$ef2700f0$cd7502d0$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> <1322587922.1804.4.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> Message-ID: <4ED53CA9.5050107@hintz.org> On 11/30/11 6:32 AM, Marks Family wrote: > The Vollynet rules have been called in to question. I have found the > original recording of the reading of the rules I think. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA I suspect perhaps this is instead the correct original reading... http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=vZ9myHhpS9s -- Regards, Ed Hintz ed@hintz.org From graeme.booth at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 10:21:09 2011 From: graeme.booth at gmail.com (Graeme Booth) Date: Wed Nov 30 10:21:28 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] You think we have problems ! Message-ID: On Firehouse this morning. Graeme Booth Peru's Firefighters Struggle as Economy Booms By FRANKLIN BRICENO - Associated Press Posted: Mon, 11/28/2011 - 10:25pm Updated: Mon, 11/28/2011 - 10:25pm LIMA, Peru -- Every time Alex Herhuay sets out in his Lima fire brigade's 36-year-old Isuzu hook-and-ladder truck for a rescue, his worries aren't just about the mission ahead. "We are thinking: 'I sure hope the engine doesn't quit,'" the young firefighter said. Peru's economy may be booming, but there is scant evidence of the export-driven mineral bonanza in Herhuay's fire company, nor in the other 191 citizens brigades in this rugged Andean country of 29 million people. Peru's firefighters are so cash-strapped and ill-equipped that vital lifesaving equipment too often fails at a burning building or at a crash scene where people are pretzeled in mangled vehicles. And that's when it's possible to answer the call. Peru's underequipped first responders are unable to answer 40,000 emergency calls a year, or nearly a third of the annual pleas for help, because they are short of equipment, pumps and ambulances, said the national fire chief, Antonio Zavala. Ninety percent of Peru's firefighters lack fire-resistant clothing and oxygen, he added. "You need tremendous patience in this line of work." Not just firefighting but other basic services including police protection, education, roads, health care and running water remain decidedly undeveloped in Peru even as its leaders tout record-breaking growth as evidence it is en route to developed-world status. Annual economic growth has topped 8 percent in three of the last four years, driven by booming exports of gold, copper and fish meal. About a third of Peruvians live in poverty, down from 48 percent in 2006, according to government statistics. But the rate is far higher in the countryside, and roughly 10 percent of Peruvians live in extreme poverty, defined as a household living on less than $55 a month. It's a problem elsewhere in the region, even in neighboring Brazil, where commodities exports are expanding the middle class. But Peru's neglect of its firefighters is notably egregious. Peruvian political commentator Jorge Bruce says it's a shameful sign of "the fragility of solidarity among Peruvians and shows how a weak state creates shortages and unsatisfied needs in basic services." In neighboring Chile, Colombia and Argentina, firefighters generally enjoy the status of being professional and well-equipped forces. Even Ecuador, which more closely shares Peru's economic profile, has made serious investments in fire protection. Ecuador's two main cities, Quito and Guayaquil, have 1,100 firefighters on their combined payrolls, use modern equipment and send some staff for training in the United States and France. In Peru, all 8,000 active firefighters are volunteers like Herhuay, a 27-year-old miner who gives the fire brigade all his seven days a month off. The annual national budget for Peru's firefighters is $19 million. In Colombia, the capital city of Bogota alone spends nearly twice that amount, $36 million, and this year bought 21 new fire trucks. Nineteen of every 20 Peruvian fire department vehicles are more than 11 years old; more than one in three exceed age 40. Many are in the shop as much as they're on the road. "You try to rush an elderly person with a heart attack to the hospital and the ambulance breaks down," Herhuay said with a sigh. Outside this coastal capital, it's worse. In the southern town of Ayaviri, near Lake Titicaca, firefighters use crowbars, sledgehammers and band saws to free people trapped in wrecks on the highway linking Brazil with the Pacific coast, said Nicolas Umpiri, the town's fire chief. Sometimes when firefighters arrive late, they are showered in rocks and boos, added Umpiri, 40, who makes his living driving a taxi. The coastal city of Pisco had only one old firetruck when an August 2007 earthquake leveled buildings just as night fell. Not until the following day did Lima's fire corps arrive. More than 590 lives were lost. In Cuzco, gateway to Peru's prime tourist destination of Machu Picchu, fire chief Jorge Luna said his department's problems became evident in March 2006 during a road accident involving a tourist bus in which 16 people, including three Americans, were killed. "Tourists bled to death and we were impotent for lack of equipment," Luna said. In August, conditions got so bad that Peru's firefighters were reduced to selling bracelets outside shopping centers to raise money. They've netted $75,000 to date. The government has announced that it is giving Lima and its port of Callao $18 million to buy new fire trucks and ambulances next year. The only country in South America with worse-equipped firefighters is Bolivia. Its doleful straits were display in January when a nine-story building collapsed in Santa Cruz, an eastern city of more than 1 million people. Eight people died, and the government had to bring in rescue teams from Mexico, Chile and Argentina. The Bolivian capital of La Paz and sister city of El Alto, home to 2.7 million people, have just two water tankers and three 1960s vintage fire engines between them. It's sadly simple, said a La Paz firefighter, Lt. Juan Carlos Flores: "We are not able to put out more than two fires at a time." ___ From jgmarks at xtra.co.nz Wed Nov 30 20:26:32 2011 From: jgmarks at xtra.co.nz (Marks Family) Date: Wed Nov 30 20:26:56 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: <4ED53CA9.5050107@hintz.org> References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> <4ED2884E.6080302@hintz.org> <007101ccae71$ef2700f0$cd7502d0$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> <1322587922.1804.4.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> <4ED53CA9.5050107@hintz.org> Message-ID: <1322637992.7886.13.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> I want to object to the way Mr Marx was given an impossible task by the unbelievably fallacious boneheaded adjudicator of the proceedings. In the mean time I have found rare footage of the Vollynet competition team training at a secret location. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDPTC-yAmgo&feature=related On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 09:12 +1300, Edmund Hintz wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > On 11/30/11 6:32 AM, Marks Family wrote: > > > The Vollynet rules have been called in to question. I have found the > > original recording of the reading of the rules I think. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA > > I suspect perhaps this is instead the correct original reading... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=vZ9myHhpS9s > From kiwis1 at slingshot.co.nz Thu Dec 1 07:50:09 2011 From: kiwis1 at slingshot.co.nz (Stephen) Date: Thu Dec 1 07:50:20 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] NEWS:- search for crew after chopper found in sea at fire Message-ID: <02b601ccaf90$e2c674b0$a8535e10$@co.nz> http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6065565/Wreckage-found-of-helicopter-missing -after-blaze http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10770069 From tony at sutorius.org Thu Dec 1 20:01:25 2011 From: tony at sutorius.org (Tony Sutorius) Date: Thu Dec 1 20:01:32 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: <1322587922.1804.4.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> <4ED2884E.6080302@hintz.org> <007101ccae71$ef2700f0$cd7502d0$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> <1322587922.1804.4.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> Message-ID: Not at all, we're 100% cool with poofters here. T. On 30/11/2011, at 6:32, Marks Family wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The Vollynet rules have been called in to question. I have found the > original recording of the reading of the rules I think. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA > > > > > On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 21:36 +1300, Shaun Sayer wrote: >> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> :-) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz >> [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Edmund Hintz >> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 7:58 a.m. >> To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz >> Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 >> >> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> On 11/27/11 5:39 PM, Sayer Family wrote: >> >>> A point of order has been raised regarding said AGM. There is some dispute >> over Regulation 4.36 of the Vollynet constitution, and it would appear that >> due to a quorum not having been reached the AGM is constitutionally a >> non-event. >>> >>> It would appear that we may need to reschedule it for next year. We are >> awaiting notification from the Patron regarding this. >> >> Clearly the Vollynet organization is irresponsible at best, as displayed >> by this shocking breech of protocol. One wonders, when faced with such >> apparent incompetence, if instead malice is to blame. Year after year, >> we get all these promises, and yet here we are. I have yet to see a >> single bottle of beer arrive on my station from Vollynet, let alone a >> 12pack. It's all talk and no action with these jokers. >> >> Maybe it's time for a new organization. One that REALLY cares about us >> volunteers. And nets. >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From jgmarks at xtra.co.nz Fri Dec 2 18:20:09 2011 From: jgmarks at xtra.co.nz (Marks Family) Date: Fri Dec 2 18:20:29 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <7iqffw8mlosdv3wryrdwl8hj.1322368726733@email.android.com> <4ED2884E.6080302@hintz.org> <007101ccae71$ef2700f0$cd7502d0$@sayer@xtra.co.nz> <1322587922.1804.4.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> Message-ID: <1322803209.1999.20.camel@marks-G41MT-S2P> I agree Tony all are welcome and even extends to stuck up sticky beets. The next AGM will be interesting On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 20:01 +1300, Tony Sutorius wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Not at all, we're 100% cool with poofters here. > > T. > > > On 30/11/2011, at 6:32, Marks Family wrote: > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Vollynet rules have been called in to question. I have found the > > original recording of the reading of the rules I think. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 21:36 +1300, Shaun Sayer wrote: > >> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > >> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> :-) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz > >> [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Edmund Hintz > >> Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 7:58 a.m. > >> To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > >> Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Conference 2011 > >> > >> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > >> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> On 11/27/11 5:39 PM, Sayer Family wrote: > >> > >>> A point of order has been raised regarding said AGM. There is some dispute > >> over Regulation 4.36 of the Vollynet constitution, and it would appear that > >> due to a quorum not having been reached the AGM is constitutionally a > >> non-event. > >>> > >>> It would appear that we may need to reschedule it for next year. We are > >> awaiting notification from the Patron regarding this. > >> > >> Clearly the Vollynet organization is irresponsible at best, as displayed > >> by this shocking breech of protocol. One wonders, when faced with such > >> apparent incompetence, if instead malice is to blame. Year after year, > >> we get all these promises, and yet here we are. I have yet to see a > >> single bottle of beer arrive on my station from Vollynet, let alone a > >> 12pack. It's all talk and no action with these jokers. > >> > >> Maybe it's time for a new organization. One that REALLY cares about us > >> volunteers. And nets. > >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise