From Paul.Butler at rbnz.govt.nz Tue Oct 4 15:28:51 2011 From: Paul.Butler at rbnz.govt.nz (Paul Butler) Date: Tue Oct 4 15:29:07 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' Message-ID: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756480 Quake looting claims 'outrageous' Someone better have some evidence on this to cast those kind of aspersions.... ****************************************************************************** "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand. 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Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756480 Quake looting claims 'outrageous' Someone better have some evidence on this to cast those kind of aspersions.... ****************************************************************************** "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand. 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Time to cash in that super Ian and follow the smart money: http://www.serco.com/investors/index.asp -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ian & Heather King Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 16:49 To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Oh yeah didn't you know all the USAR guys I know are driving round in new cars! Wanker!!!! And to think we send our children to university to be taught by toss pots like this guy? ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Butler To: VollyNet Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756480 Quake looting claims 'outrageous' Someone better have some evidence on this to cast those kind of aspersions.... **************************************************************************** ** "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand. 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Quake looting claims 'outrageous' References: <4e8a8ff9.0176440a.4ef9.365a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <30B700694D6A445C9AC6F7AFE5796A43@SN2938977271> Impressive despite the fact the didn't do too well in NZ. Plus as the super is currently going backwards at a great rate can't cash it in! ----- Original Message ----- From: Anaru Hartley To: 'VollyNet' Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 5:47 PM Subject: RE: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- I wouldn't worry too much about a convicted drug dealer (5 years in maxi) turned academic now whoring tabloid quality opinions to build his public profile for the upcoming media and public shit fest from the planned complete privatization of the prison system. Time to cash in that super Ian and follow the smart money: http://www.serco.com/investors/index.asp -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ian & Heather King Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 16:49 To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Oh yeah didn't you know all the USAR guys I know are driving round in new cars! Wanker!!!! And to think we send our children to university to be taught by toss pots like this guy? ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Butler To: VollyNet Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756480 Quake looting claims 'outrageous' Someone better have some evidence on this to cast those kind of aspersions.... **************************************************************************** ** "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand. 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Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From briggsys at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 18:09:14 2011 From: briggsys at gmail.com (Shane Briggs) Date: Tue Oct 4 18:12:21 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8387E11F-0DC6-415B-A31F-D7FD98714FA2@gmail.com> Claims of solders looting in other countries during war doesn't not equal any form of evidence, of search and rescue personnel who put themselves out to HELP others, not rip them off! What an absolute clown, I'm just disappointed the media would even post such a rumor with no evidence. (Sent from iPhone 4) On 4/10/2011, at 15:28, Paul Butler wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756480 > > Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > Someone better have some evidence on this to cast those kind of aspersions.... > > > > ****************************************************************************** > "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and > may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. > > This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the > Reserve Bank of New Zealand. If the recipient has any concerns about > the content of this message they should seek alternative confirmation > from the Reserve Bank of New Zealand." > ****************************************************************************** > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From Paul.Butler at rbnz.govt.nz Tue Oct 4 22:34:35 2011 From: Paul.Butler at rbnz.govt.nz (Paul Butler) Date: Tue Oct 4 22:34:52 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: <8387E11F-0DC6-415B-A31F-D7FD98714FA2@gmail.com> References: <8387E11F-0DC6-415B-A31F-D7FD98714FA2@gmail.com> Message-ID: I wonder if it possible to take a defamation case, since he is slandering an entire service, and in effect, each individual person in it. What a plonker. Such a poorly worded and erratic article too. It just jumps all over the place. All rumour and generalisations, and in doing so, painting each responder as a potential criminal. What a fantastic way to say thank you to everyone out there that risked their own lives to save others. -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Shane Briggs Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 6:09 p.m. To: VollyNet Cc: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Claims of solders looting in other countries during war doesn't not equal any form of evidence, of search and rescue personnel who put themselves out to HELP others, not rip them off! What an absolute clown, I'm just disappointed the media would even post such a rumor with no evidence. (Sent from iPhone 4) On 4/10/2011, at 15:28, Paul Butler wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756480 > > Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > Someone better have some evidence on this to cast those kind of aspersions.... > > > > ****************************************************************************** > "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and > may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. > > This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the > Reserve Bank of New Zealand. If the recipient has any concerns about > the content of this message they should seek alternative confirmation > from the Reserve Bank of New Zealand." > ****************************************************************************** > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From ed at hintz.org Wed Oct 5 08:26:43 2011 From: ed at hintz.org (Edmund Hintz) Date: Wed Oct 5 08:27:03 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E8B5DF3.9030900@hintz.org> On 10/4/11 3:28 PM, Paul Butler wrote: > Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > Someone better have some evidence on this to cast those kind of aspersions.... The article ends with: > It was just a loose comment I made. I've got no evidence of it but everyone knows it took place, but I've got no evidence of it.'' Dr. Greg Newbold likes to f**k himself. Having said that, I look forward to a news article shortly, along the lines of: Subsequent to publishing this story, reports are surfacing from groups associated with emergency response personnel which indicate that Dr. Greg Newbold is associated with internet groups which promote autosodomy-defined as engaging in the sexual act of inserting ones own erect penis into ones own anus. These emergency response groups have no evidence of this activity, it's just a loose comment that was made, but everyone knows it takes place. -- Regards, Ed Hintz ed@hintz.org From ben at diversity.net.nz Wed Oct 5 08:37:01 2011 From: ben at diversity.net.nz (Ben Kepes) Date: Wed Oct 5 08:37:25 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry guys but stuff I saw inside the red zone led me to similar conculsuions that newbold came to. Not firefighters or USAR folks specifically but the general early emergency response yes Sad but true B Sent from mobile. Expect typos On Oct 4, 2011 3:29 PM, "Paul Butler" wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756480 > > Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > Someone better have some evidence on this to cast those kind of aspersions.... > > > > ****************************************************************************** > "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and > may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. > > This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the > Reserve Bank of New Zealand. If the recipient has any concerns about > the content of this message they should seek alternative confirmation > from the Reserve Bank of New Zealand." > ****************************************************************************** > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From ed at hintz.org Wed Oct 5 09:40:57 2011 From: ed at hintz.org (Edmund Hintz) Date: Wed Oct 5 09:41:14 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org> On 10/5/11 8:37 AM, Ben Kepes wrote: > Sorry guys but stuff I saw inside the red zone led me to similar > conculsuions that newbold came to. Not firefighters or USAR folks > specifically but the general early emergency response yes > > Sad but true Elaborate? Seems like the initial response was pretty much every man and his dog; the odd construction bloke (or even just opportunist) in a floro vest is plausible. But the article says he's specifically calling out international responders and firefighters, which I'd rather like to see proof of. "Everybody knows it happened" doesn't quite cut the mustard. -- Regards, Ed Hintz ed@hintz.org From ben at diversity.net.nz Wed Oct 5 09:47:03 2011 From: ben at diversity.net.nz (Ben Kepes) Date: Wed Oct 5 09:47:18 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org> References: <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org> Message-ID: I'm not accusing anyone of anything but I will say that after the first 24 hours (ie past the "everyman and his dog wearing flouro) and before things started to get more rigid (around the 2 week mark) there was a degree of dodginess going on from "emergency workers" - in this case emergency workers include those doing emergency demolitions and the like on behalf of CD - not fire or USAR but lumped in with the emergency response http://www.diversity.net.nz/something-is-rotten-in-the-state-of-christchurch/2011/03/25/ So I'm not saying Newbold was right in naming specific organizations, but I agree that opportunistic thievery did occur during the emergency response period b Ben Kepes - Diversity Limited E ben@diversity.net.nz | P +64 3 3146006 | M 021 2384136 skype ben_kepes | twitter @benkepes web www.diversity.net.nz On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Edmund Hintz wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > On 10/5/11 8:37 AM, Ben Kepes wrote: > > > Sorry guys but stuff I saw inside the red zone led me to similar > > conculsuions that newbold came to. Not firefighters or USAR folks > > specifically but the general early emergency response yes > > > > Sad but true > > Elaborate? > > Seems like the initial response was pretty much every man and his dog; > the odd construction bloke (or even just opportunist) in a floro vest is > plausible. But the article says he's specifically calling out > international responders and firefighters, which I'd rather like to see > proof of. "Everybody knows it happened" doesn't quite cut the mustard. > > -- > Regards, > > Ed Hintz > ed@hintz.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > From ed at hintz.org Wed Oct 5 10:17:25 2011 From: ed at hintz.org (Edmund Hintz) Date: Wed Oct 5 10:17:37 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org> Message-ID: <4E8B77E5.6000906@hintz.org> On 10/5/11 9:47 AM, Ben Kepes wrote: > So I'm not saying Newbold was right in naming specific organizations, but I > agree that opportunistic thievery did occur during the emergency response > period Ok, but opportunistic and dodgy salvage/recycling of building materials by Civil Defence contractors doing demo is a far cry from USAR and firefighters looting. The former I find far more plausible, particularly in the early phases when CD would have been contracting anybody with a digger and a few monkeys to drive it. If Dr. Greg Newbold was making such claims, as opposed to international USAR looting, I would be far less inclined to make counter claims regarding his disgusting deviant sexual activities for which I have no evidence but we all know took place. Perhaps if we keep this up we can get google searches that link Dr. Greg Newbold to autosodomy, just like Santorum took on a new definition after Ricky tried to link gays to incest and pedophilia. The interwebs are a funny place that way. I'd love to see what 4chan would do with this joker. :) -- Regards, Ed Hintz ed@hintz.org From b_daz_l at hotmail.com Wed Oct 5 12:55:06 2011 From: b_daz_l at hotmail.com (David K) Date: Wed Oct 5 12:55:20 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: <4E8B77E5.6000906@hintz.org> References: , , <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org>, , <4E8B77E5.6000906@hintz.org> Message-ID: There were items taken during demoliion by demolition companies, but that was quickly sorted by the police and through CERA - there was the old rule with demolition companies and building contractors that "whats left on site when we begin work, becomes ours" so that mentality was quickly stopped.. > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:17:25 +1300 > From: ed@hintz.org > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > On 10/5/11 9:47 AM, Ben Kepes wrote: > > > So I'm not saying Newbold was right in naming specific organizations, but I > > agree that opportunistic thievery did occur during the emergency response > > period > > Ok, but opportunistic and dodgy salvage/recycling of building materials > by Civil Defence contractors doing demo is a far cry from USAR and > firefighters looting. The former I find far more plausible, particularly > in the early phases when CD would have been contracting anybody with a > digger and a few monkeys to drive it. > > If Dr. Greg Newbold was making such claims, as opposed to international > USAR looting, I would be far less inclined to make counter claims > regarding his disgusting deviant sexual activities for which I have no > evidence but we all know took place. > > Perhaps if we keep this up we can get google searches that link Dr. Greg > Newbold to autosodomy, just like Santorum took on a new definition after > Ricky tried to link gays to incest and pedophilia. > > The interwebs are a funny place that way. I'd love to see what 4chan > would do with this joker. :) > > -- > Regards, > > Ed Hintz > ed@hintz.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From ben at diversity.net.nz Wed Oct 5 12:57:28 2011 From: ben at diversity.net.nz (Ben Kepes) Date: Wed Oct 5 12:57:43 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org> <4E8B77E5.6000906@hintz.org> Message-ID: Actually no, it wasn't quickly stopped at all. And wasn't limited to just demo companies. I've heard anecdotal stories of pictures surfacing of emergency staffers showing off "acquired" goods from within the red zone b Ben Kepes - Diversity Limited E ben@diversity.net.nz | P +64 3 3146006 | M 021 2384136 skype ben_kepes | twitter @benkepes web www.diversity.net.nz On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:55 PM, David K wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > There were items taken during demoliion by demolition companies, but that > was quickly sorted by the police and through CERA - there was the old rule > with demolition companies and building contractors that "whats left on site > when we begin work, becomes ours" so that mentality was quickly stopped.. > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:17:25 +1300 > > From: ed@hintz.org > > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > On 10/5/11 9:47 AM, Ben Kepes wrote: > > > > > So I'm not saying Newbold was right in naming specific organizations, > but I > > > agree that opportunistic thievery did occur during the emergency > response > > > period > > > > Ok, but opportunistic and dodgy salvage/recycling of building materials > > by Civil Defence contractors doing demo is a far cry from USAR and > > firefighters looting. The former I find far more plausible, particularly > > in the early phases when CD would have been contracting anybody with a > > digger and a few monkeys to drive it. > > > > If Dr. Greg Newbold was making such claims, as opposed to international > > USAR looting, I would be far less inclined to make counter claims > > regarding his disgusting deviant sexual activities for which I have no > > evidence but we all know took place. > > > > Perhaps if we keep this up we can get google searches that link Dr. Greg > > Newbold to autosodomy, just like Santorum took on a new definition after > > Ricky tried to link gays to incest and pedophilia. > > > > The interwebs are a funny place that way. I'd love to see what 4chan > > would do with this joker. :) > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Ed Hintz > > ed@hintz.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > From ed at hintz.org Wed Oct 5 13:03:12 2011 From: ed at hintz.org (Edmund Hintz) Date: Wed Oct 5 13:03:28 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org> <4E8B77E5.6000906@hintz.org> Message-ID: <4E8B9EC0.7040505@hintz.org> On 10/5/11 12:57 PM, Ben Kepes wrote: > Actually no, it wasn't quickly stopped at all. And wasn't limited to just > demo companies. I've heard anecdotal stories of pictures surfacing of > emergency staffers showing off "acquired" goods from within the red zone Meh. I've heard anecdotal stories about the fondness Kiwi's bear for carnal visits with sheep, but I'm inclined to suspect this is more slander than reality (and of course I'm sure that it's happened, but not to the same extent that Aussies would have you believe). Pics or it didn't happen. :D -- Regards, Ed Hintz ed@hintz.org From b_daz_l at hotmail.com Wed Oct 5 13:05:25 2011 From: b_daz_l at hotmail.com (David K) Date: Wed Oct 5 13:05:38 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: References: , , <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org>, , <4E8B77E5.6000906@hintz.org>, , Message-ID: So youv heard of it? you havent witnessed it yourself? for the 2 different periods I was down there, the only things I saw being removed from business by "emergency staffers" were photos taken on their cameras or phones, and the multiple memories everybody has. > Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:57:28 -0700 > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > From: ben@diversity.net.nz > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Actually no, it wasn't quickly stopped at all. And wasn't limited to just > demo companies. I've heard anecdotal stories of pictures surfacing of > emergency staffers showing off "acquired" goods from within the red zone > > b > > > Ben Kepes - Diversity Limited > E ben@diversity.net.nz | P +64 3 3146006 | M 021 2384136 > skype ben_kepes | twitter @benkepes > web www.diversity.net.nz > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:55 PM, David K wrote: > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > There were items taken during demoliion by demolition companies, but that > > was quickly sorted by the police and through CERA - there was the old rule > > with demolition companies and building contractors that "whats left on site > > when we begin work, becomes ours" so that mentality was quickly stopped.. > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:17:25 +1300 > > > From: ed@hintz.org > > > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On 10/5/11 9:47 AM, Ben Kepes wrote: > > > > > > > So I'm not saying Newbold was right in naming specific organizations, > > but I > > > > agree that opportunistic thievery did occur during the emergency > > response > > > > period > > > > > > Ok, but opportunistic and dodgy salvage/recycling of building materials > > > by Civil Defence contractors doing demo is a far cry from USAR and > > > firefighters looting. The former I find far more plausible, particularly > > > in the early phases when CD would have been contracting anybody with a > > > digger and a few monkeys to drive it. > > > > > > If Dr. Greg Newbold was making such claims, as opposed to international > > > USAR looting, I would be far less inclined to make counter claims > > > regarding his disgusting deviant sexual activities for which I have no > > > evidence but we all know took place. > > > > > > Perhaps if we keep this up we can get google searches that link Dr. Greg > > > Newbold to autosodomy, just like Santorum took on a new definition after > > > Ricky tried to link gays to incest and pedophilia. > > > > > > The interwebs are a funny place that way. I'd love to see what 4chan > > > would do with this joker. :) > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ed Hintz > > > ed@hintz.org > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From ben at diversity.net.nz Wed Oct 5 13:10:25 2011 From: ben at diversity.net.nz (Ben Kepes) Date: Wed Oct 5 13:10:41 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org> <4E8B77E5.6000906@hintz.org> Message-ID: No I didn't witness it - hence only discussing it in this closed community K47 b Ben Kepes - Diversity Limited E ben@diversity.net.nz | P +64 3 3146006 | M 021 2384136 skype ben_kepes | twitter @benkepes web www.diversity.net.nz On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 5:05 PM, David K wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > So youv heard of it? you havent witnessed it yourself? for the 2 different > periods I was down there, the only things I saw being removed from business > by "emergency staffers" were photos taken on their cameras or phones, and > the multiple memories everybody has. > > > > Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:57:28 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > From: ben@diversity.net.nz > > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Actually no, it wasn't quickly stopped at all. And wasn't limited to just > > demo companies. I've heard anecdotal stories of pictures surfacing of > > emergency staffers showing off "acquired" goods from within the red zone > > > > b > > > > > > Ben Kepes - Diversity Limited > > E ben@diversity.net.nz | P +64 3 3146006 | M 021 2384136 > > skype ben_kepes | twitter @benkepes > > web www.diversity.net.nz > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:55 PM, David K wrote: > > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > There were items taken during demoliion by demolition companies, but > that > > > was quickly sorted by the police and through CERA - there was the old > rule > > > with demolition companies and building contractors that "whats left on > site > > > when we begin work, becomes ours" so that mentality was quickly > stopped.. > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:17:25 +1300 > > > > From: ed@hintz.org > > > > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > > > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > > > > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On 10/5/11 9:47 AM, Ben Kepes wrote: > > > > > > > > > So I'm not saying Newbold was right in naming specific > organizations, > > > but I > > > > > agree that opportunistic thievery did occur during the emergency > > > response > > > > > period > > > > > > > > Ok, but opportunistic and dodgy salvage/recycling of building > materials > > > > by Civil Defence contractors doing demo is a far cry from USAR and > > > > firefighters looting. The former I find far more plausible, > particularly > > > > in the early phases when CD would have been contracting anybody with > a > > > > digger and a few monkeys to drive it. > > > > > > > > If Dr. Greg Newbold was making such claims, as opposed to > international > > > > USAR looting, I would be far less inclined to make counter claims > > > > regarding his disgusting deviant sexual activities for which I have > no > > > > evidence but we all know took place. > > > > > > > > Perhaps if we keep this up we can get google searches that link Dr. > Greg > > > > Newbold to autosodomy, just like Santorum took on a new definition > after > > > > Ricky tried to link gays to incest and pedophilia. > > > > > > > > The interwebs are a funny place that way. I'd love to see what 4chan > > > > would do with this joker. :) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ed Hintz > > > > ed@hintz.org > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > From Karl.Scragg at cableprice.co.nz Wed Oct 5 13:15:19 2011 From: Karl.Scragg at cableprice.co.nz (Karl Scragg) Date: Wed Oct 5 13:15:33 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org> <4E8B77E5.6000906@hintz.org> Message-ID: <2E6266B0212CB74AB042CD59A497E4E718613C9597@winexch.cableprice.co.nz> Ben As has been explained to me before this is not a closed community. -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ben Kepes Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:10 PM To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- No I didn't witness it - hence only discussing it in this closed community K47 b Ben Kepes - Diversity Limited E ben@diversity.net.nz | P +64 3 3146006 | M 021 2384136 skype ben_kepes | twitter @benkepes web www.diversity.net.nz On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 5:05 PM, David K wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > So youv heard of it? you havent witnessed it yourself? for the 2 different > periods I was down there, the only things I saw being removed from business > by "emergency staffers" were photos taken on their cameras or phones, and > the multiple memories everybody has. > > > > Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:57:28 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > From: ben@diversity.net.nz > > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Actually no, it wasn't quickly stopped at all. And wasn't limited to just > > demo companies. I've heard anecdotal stories of pictures surfacing of > > emergency staffers showing off "acquired" goods from within the red zone > > > > b > > > > > > Ben Kepes - Diversity Limited > > E ben@diversity.net.nz | P +64 3 3146006 | M 021 2384136 > > skype ben_kepes | twitter @benkepes > > web www.diversity.net.nz > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:55 PM, David K wrote: > > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > There were items taken during demoliion by demolition companies, but > that > > > was quickly sorted by the police and through CERA - there was the old > rule > > > with demolition companies and building contractors that "whats left on > site > > > when we begin work, becomes ours" so that mentality was quickly > stopped.. > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:17:25 +1300 > > > > From: ed@hintz.org > > > > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > > > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > > > > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On 10/5/11 9:47 AM, Ben Kepes wrote: > > > > > > > > > So I'm not saying Newbold was right in naming specific > organizations, > > > but I > > > > > agree that opportunistic thievery did occur during the emergency > > > response > > > > > period > > > > > > > > Ok, but opportunistic and dodgy salvage/recycling of building > materials > > > > by Civil Defence contractors doing demo is a far cry from USAR and > > > > firefighters looting. The former I find far more plausible, > particularly > > > > in the early phases when CD would have been contracting anybody with > a > > > > digger and a few monkeys to drive it. > > > > > > > > If Dr. Greg Newbold was making such claims, as opposed to > international > > > > USAR looting, I would be far less inclined to make counter claims > > > > regarding his disgusting deviant sexual activities for which I have > no > > > > evidence but we all know took place. > > > > > > > > Perhaps if we keep this up we can get google searches that link Dr. > Greg > > > > Newbold to autosodomy, just like Santorum took on a new definition > after > > > > Ricky tried to link gays to incest and pedophilia. > > > > > > > > The interwebs are a funny place that way. I'd love to see what 4chan > > > > would do with this joker. :) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ed Hintz > > > > ed@hintz.org > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise CablePrice (NZ) Ltd is a subsidiary of Hitachi Construction Machinery Co,. Ltd. with a nationwide sales and service network spanning New Zealand. CablePrice (NZ) Ltd is the only authorised dealer for Hitachi Construction Machinery, Scania Trucks & Buses and John Deere Construction & Forestry Equipment. CablePrice support the construction, forestry, transport, agriculture, quarry & aggregate, mining and demolition industries of New Zealand. CablePrice ? ensuring you?re powered to succeed! Disclaimer: This electronic message and attachments (if any) are confidential and may be legally privileged. You may not legally copy, disclose, disseminate or use the contents in any way without the explicit consent of CablePrice (NZ) Ltd. If you are not the intended recipient of this email you should contact CablePrice (NZ) Ltd. immediately and destroy this message. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Thank you. From tds_4 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 5 13:19:03 2011 From: tds_4 at hotmail.com (Tristan Saunders) Date: Wed Oct 5 13:19:14 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: <2E6266B0212CB74AB042CD59A497E4E718613C9597@winexch.cableprice.co.nz> References: , , <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org>, , <4E8B77E5.6000906@hintz.org> , , , , <2E6266B0212CB74AB042CD59A497E4E718613C9597@winexch.cableprice.co.nz> Message-ID: maybe an investigation is warranted then... From: Karl.Scragg@cableprice.co.nz To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:15:19 +1300 Subject: RE: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Ben As has been explained to me before this is not a closed community. -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ben Kepes Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:10 PM To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- No I didn't witness it - hence only discussing it in this closed community K47 b Ben Kepes - Diversity Limited E ben@diversity.net.nz | P +64 3 3146006 | M 021 2384136 skype ben_kepes | twitter @benkepes web www.diversity.net.nz On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 5:05 PM, David K wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > So youv heard of it? you havent witnessed it yourself? for the 2 different > periods I was down there, the only things I saw being removed from business > by "emergency staffers" were photos taken on their cameras or phones, and > the multiple memories everybody has. > > > > Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:57:28 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > From: ben@diversity.net.nz > > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Actually no, it wasn't quickly stopped at all. And wasn't limited to just > > demo companies. I've heard anecdotal stories of pictures surfacing of > > emergency staffers showing off "acquired" goods from within the red zone > > > > b > > > > > > Ben Kepes - Diversity Limited > > E ben@diversity.net.nz | P +64 3 3146006 | M 021 2384136 > > skype ben_kepes | twitter @benkepes > > web www.diversity.net.nz > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:55 PM, David K wrote: > > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > There were items taken during demoliion by demolition companies, but > that > > > was quickly sorted by the police and through CERA - there was the old > rule > > > with demolition companies and building contractors that "whats left on > site > > > when we begin work, becomes ours" so that mentality was quickly > stopped.. > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:17:25 +1300 > > > > From: ed@hintz.org > > > > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > > > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > > > > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On 10/5/11 9:47 AM, Ben Kepes wrote: > > > > > > > > > So I'm not saying Newbold was right in naming specific > organizations, > > > but I > > > > > agree that opportunistic thievery did occur during the emergency > > > response > > > > > period > > > > > > > > Ok, but opportunistic and dodgy salvage/recycling of building > materials > > > > by Civil Defence contractors doing demo is a far cry from USAR and > > > > firefighters looting. The former I find far more plausible, > particularly > > > > in the early phases when CD would have been contracting anybody with > a > > > > digger and a few monkeys to drive it. > > > > > > > > If Dr. Greg Newbold was making such claims, as opposed to > international > > > > USAR looting, I would be far less inclined to make counter claims > > > > regarding his disgusting deviant sexual activities for which I have > no > > > > evidence but we all know took place. > > > > > > > > Perhaps if we keep this up we can get google searches that link Dr. > Greg > > > > Newbold to autosodomy, just like Santorum took on a new definition > after > > > > Ricky tried to link gays to incest and pedophilia. > > > > > > > > The interwebs are a funny place that way. I'd love to see what 4chan > > > > would do with this joker. :) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ed Hintz > > > > ed@hintz.org > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! 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Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From ben at diversity.net.nz Wed Oct 5 13:20:42 2011 From: ben at diversity.net.nz (Ben Kepes) Date: Wed Oct 5 13:20:58 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: <2E6266B0212CB74AB042CD59A497E4E718613C9597@winexch.cableprice.co.nz> References: <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org> <4E8B77E5.6000906@hintz.org> <2E6266B0212CB74AB042CD59A497E4E718613C9597@winexch.cableprice.co.nz> Message-ID: I'm a journalist (kind of) This is closed enough for me b Ben Kepes - Diversity Limited E ben@diversity.net.nz | P +64 3 3146006 | M 021 2384136 skype ben_kepes | twitter @benkepes web www.diversity.net.nz On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Karl Scragg wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ben > > As has been explained to me before this is not a closed community. > > -----Original Message----- > From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto: > vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ben Kepes > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 1:10 PM > To: VollyNet > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > No I didn't witness it - hence only discussing it in this closed community > > K47 > > b > > > Ben Kepes - Diversity Limited > E ben@diversity.net.nz | P +64 3 3146006 | M 021 2384136 > skype ben_kepes | twitter @benkepes > web www.diversity.net.nz > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 5:05 PM, David K wrote: > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > So youv heard of it? you havent witnessed it yourself? for the 2 > different > > periods I was down there, the only things I saw being removed from > business > > by "emergency staffers" were photos taken on their cameras or phones, and > > the multiple memories everybody has. > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:57:28 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > > From: ben@diversity.net.nz > > > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Actually no, it wasn't quickly stopped at all. And wasn't limited to > just > > > demo companies. I've heard anecdotal stories of pictures surfacing of > > > emergency staffers showing off "acquired" goods from within the red > zone > > > > > > b > > > > > > > > > Ben Kepes - Diversity Limited > > > E ben@diversity.net.nz | P +64 3 3146006 | M 021 2384136 > > > skype ben_kepes | twitter @benkepes > > > web www.diversity.net.nz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:55 PM, David K wrote: > > > > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > There were items taken during demoliion by demolition companies, but > > that > > > > was quickly sorted by the police and through CERA - there was the old > > rule > > > > with demolition companies and building contractors that "whats left > on > > site > > > > when we begin work, becomes ours" so that mentality was quickly > > stopped.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:17:25 +1300 > > > > > From: ed@hintz.org > > > > > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > > > > > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > > > > > > > > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > > > > > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > On 10/5/11 9:47 AM, Ben Kepes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So I'm not saying Newbold was right in naming specific > > organizations, > > > > but I > > > > > > agree that opportunistic thievery did occur during the emergency > > > > response > > > > > > period > > > > > > > > > > Ok, but opportunistic and dodgy salvage/recycling of building > > materials > > > > > by Civil Defence contractors doing demo is a far cry from USAR and > > > > > firefighters looting. The former I find far more plausible, > > particularly > > > > > in the early phases when CD would have been contracting anybody > with > > a > > > > > digger and a few monkeys to drive it. > > > > > > > > > > If Dr. Greg Newbold was making such claims, as opposed to > > international > > > > > USAR looting, I would be far less inclined to make counter claims > > > > > regarding his disgusting deviant sexual activities for which I have > > no > > > > > evidence but we all know took place. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps if we keep this up we can get google searches that link Dr. > > Greg > > > > > Newbold to autosodomy, just like Santorum took on a new definition > > after > > > > > Ricky tried to link gays to incest and pedophilia. > > > > > > > > > > The interwebs are a funny place that way. I'd love to see what > 4chan > > > > > would do with this joker. :) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ed Hintz > > > > > ed@hintz.org > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > > > > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > > > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > > > > > > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > > > > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > MEET THE COMMUNITY! 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Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > From briggsys at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 13:53:04 2011 From: briggsys at gmail.com (Shane Briggs) Date: Wed Oct 5 13:56:11 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org> <4E8B77E5.6000906@hintz.org> Message-ID: So you reported this then? You have taken copies of the pictures to the Police? It seems people claim to have "stories" , but what was done by those who saw it? Having spent the first two weeks there, and being there in September, it was often hard to say who was there on official business and who wasn't. I would not he surprised if there were one or two people in authority taking opportunities, which is sad. However emergency services are a cross section of the community so people can slip past the checks and balances. I know someone who passed themselves off as a rescue worker, who wasn't. He was passed on to Police and removed from Lattimar Square. However to try paint a picture that this was a big issue and to label us all with out any evidence is just down right offensive. (Sent from iPhone 4) On 5/10/2011, at 12:57, Ben Kepes wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Actually no, it wasn't quickly stopped at all. And wasn't limited to just > demo companies. I've heard anecdotal stories of pictures surfacing of > emergency staffers showing off "acquired" goods from within the red zone > > b > > > Ben Kepes - Diversity Limited > E ben@diversity.net.nz | P +64 3 3146006 | M 021 2384136 > skype ben_kepes | twitter @benkepes > web www.diversity.net.nz > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:55 PM, David K wrote: > >> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> There were items taken during demoliion by demolition companies, but that >> was quickly sorted by the police and through CERA - there was the old rule >> with demolition companies and building contractors that "whats left on site >> when we begin work, becomes ours" so that mentality was quickly stopped.. >> >> >>> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:17:25 +1300 >>> From: ed@hintz.org >>> To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz >>> Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' >>> >>> VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ >>> For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> On 10/5/11 9:47 AM, Ben Kepes wrote: >>> >>>> So I'm not saying Newbold was right in naming specific organizations, >> but I >>>> agree that opportunistic thievery did occur during the emergency >> response >>>> period >>> >>> Ok, but opportunistic and dodgy salvage/recycling of building materials >>> by Civil Defence contractors doing demo is a far cry from USAR and >>> firefighters looting. The former I find far more plausible, particularly >>> in the early phases when CD would have been contracting anybody with a >>> digger and a few monkeys to drive it. >>> >>> If Dr. Greg Newbold was making such claims, as opposed to international >>> USAR looting, I would be far less inclined to make counter claims >>> regarding his disgusting deviant sexual activities for which I have no >>> evidence but we all know took place. >>> >>> Perhaps if we keep this up we can get google searches that link Dr. Greg >>> Newbold to autosodomy, just like Santorum took on a new definition after >>> Ricky tried to link gays to incest and pedophilia. >>> >>> The interwebs are a funny place that way. I'd love to see what 4chan >>> would do with this joker. :) >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Ed Hintz >>> ed@hintz.org >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles >>> >>> ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of >>> personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles >> >> ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of >> personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From ian.ford at xtra.co.nz Wed Oct 5 14:15:48 2011 From: ian.ford at xtra.co.nz (Ian Ford) Date: Wed Oct 5 14:15:59 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: <4E8B9EC0.7040505@hintz.org> References: <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org> <4E8B77E5.6000906@hintz.org> <4E8B9EC0.7040505@hintz.org> Message-ID: <1317777348.36659.YahooMailNeo@web96013.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Ed wrote... > I've heard anecdotal stories about the fondness Kiwi's bear for carnal > visits with sheep, but I'm inclined to suspect this is more slander than > reality (and of course I'm sure that it's happened, but not to the same > extent that Aussies would have you believe). > > Pics or it didn't happen. :D My understanding from Someone Who Knows (and it may or may not have been Greg Newbold) is that no pictures were taken out of respect for the sheep's privacy. And this obviously puts your average sheep in a class above most of Hollywood... 4d ________________________________ From: Edmund Hintz To: VollyNet Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- On 10/5/11 12:57 PM, Ben Kepes wrote: > Actually no, it wasn't quickly stopped at all. And wasn't limited to just > demo companies. I've heard anecdotal stories of pictures surfacing of > emergency staffers showing off "acquired" goods from within the red zone Meh. I've heard anecdotal stories about the fondness Kiwi's bear for carnal visits with sheep, but I'm inclined to suspect this is more slander than reality (and of course I'm sure that it's happened, but not to the same extent that Aussies would have you believe). Pics or it didn't happen. :D -- Regards, Ed Hintz ed@hintz.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From Paul.Butler at rbnz.govt.nz Wed Oct 5 14:24:01 2011 From: Paul.Butler at rbnz.govt.nz (Paul Butler) Date: Wed Oct 5 14:24:20 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: References: <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org> Message-ID: Hi Ben An interesting story for sure, but it relates to demolition contractors, not services personnel. I am pretty sure demo contractors do not do any real vetting of their staff - probably "get to work on time and don't be too stoned" might be a base job requirement (sorry - I am being sarcastic, but you can see the difference). I am pretty sure the insurance companies would be interested in stuff that was salvaged. I am not sure what changes under a declaration of a national CD emergency, but I am sure that the insurance companies own any "written off" items, including demolished material. I expect that they are the ones that fork out for the demolition in the first place? They ultimately pay out for reconstruction, so would normally be entitled to mitigate those costs with anything salvageable. The same as if your car is written off - the wreck belongs to the insurance company who will then sell it off. I would probably bring your observations to the attention of your insurance company -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ben Kepes Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 9:47 a.m. To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not accusing anyone of anything but I will say that after the first 24 hours (ie past the "everyman and his dog wearing flouro) and before things started to get more rigid (around the 2 week mark) there was a degree of dodginess going on from "emergency workers" - in this case emergency workers include those doing emergency demolitions and the like on behalf of CD - not fire or USAR but lumped in with the emergency response http://www.diversity.net.nz/something-is-rotten-in-the-state-of-christchurch/2011/03/25/ So I'm not saying Newbold was right in naming specific organizations, but I agree that opportunistic thievery did occur during the emergency response period b ****************************************************************************** "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand. If the recipient has any concerns about the content of this message they should seek alternative confirmation from the Reserve Bank of New Zealand." ****************************************************************************** From ed at hintz.org Wed Oct 5 15:44:27 2011 From: ed at hintz.org (Edmund Hintz) Date: Wed Oct 5 15:44:46 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: <1317777348.36659.YahooMailNeo@web96013.mail.aue.yahoo.com> References: <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org> <4E8B77E5.6000906@hintz.org> <4E8B9EC0.7040505@hintz.org> <1317777348.36659.YahooMailNeo@web96013.mail.aue.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E8BC48B.1050502@hintz.org> On 10/5/11 2:15 PM, Ian Ford wrote: >> I've heard anecdotal stories about the fondness Kiwi's bear for carnal >> visits with sheep, but I'm inclined to suspect this is more slander than >> reality (and of course I'm sure that it's happened, but not to the same >> extent that Aussies would have you believe). >> >> Pics or it didn't happen. :D > > My understanding from Someone Who Knows (and it may or may not have been Greg Newbold) is that no pictures were taken out of respect for the sheep's privacy. In otherwords, you have no evidence of Dr. Greg Newbolds presence as a photographic and ethics expert at sheep parties, but everyone knows it happens... -- Regards, Ed Hintz ed@hintz.org From kiwis1 at slingshot.co.nz Wed Oct 5 17:14:04 2011 From: kiwis1 at slingshot.co.nz (Stephen) Date: Wed Oct 5 17:14:13 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] News:- Escalation of paid fire staff "strike" Message-ID: <039b01cc8315$38594c70$a90be550$@co.nz> http://nzpfu.org.nz/ From 4kings at nettel.net.nz Wed Oct 5 19:21:48 2011 From: 4kings at nettel.net.nz (Ian & Heather King) Date: Wed Oct 5 19:22:14 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' References: <8387E11F-0DC6-415B-A31F-D7FD98714FA2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0BD7F86D34174675A78EA6F24194B321@SN2938977271> Yes and coming from an ex firefighter too. I am lead to believe he was a firefighter in Auckland in some capacity???? ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Butler To: VollyNet Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder if it possible to take a defamation case, since he is slandering an entire service, and in effect, each individual person in it. What a plonker. Such a poorly worded and erratic article too. It just jumps all over the place. All rumour and generalisations, and in doing so, painting each responder as a potential criminal. What a fantastic way to say thank you to everyone out there that risked their own lives to save others. -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Shane Briggs Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 6:09 p.m. To: VollyNet Cc: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Claims of solders looting in other countries during war doesn't not equal any form of evidence, of search and rescue personnel who put themselves out to HELP others, not rip them off! What an absolute clown, I'm just disappointed the media would even post such a rumor with no evidence. (Sent from iPhone 4) On 4/10/2011, at 15:28, Paul Butler wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756480 > > Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > Someone better have some evidence on this to cast those kind of aspersions.... > > > > ****************************************************************************** > "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and > may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. > > This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the > Reserve Bank of New Zealand. 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Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From tds_4 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 5 19:59:22 2011 From: tds_4 at hotmail.com (Tristan Saunders) Date: Wed Oct 5 19:59:41 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: References: , , <4E8B6F59.6070900@hintz.org>, , Message-ID: well as much as it is considered illegal or theft or whatever, Id be concerned about the delays and bureaucracy that such an investigation and any subsequent 'changes' made could cause. Its pretty low and against the moral fibre that comes with helping people in dire need to dishonestly acquire things. But the possibility of americanist legalism coming into it during these times could be detrimental to the purpose... > From: Paul.Butler@rbnz.govt.nz > To: vollynet@vollynet.org.nz > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:24:01 +1300 > Subject: RE: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Ben > > An interesting story for sure, but it relates to demolition contractors, not services personnel. I am pretty sure demo contractors do not do any real vetting of their staff - probably "get to work on time and don't be too stoned" might be a base job requirement (sorry - I am being sarcastic, but you can see the difference). > > I am pretty sure the insurance companies would be interested in stuff that was salvaged. I am not sure what changes under a declaration of a national CD emergency, but I am sure that the insurance companies own any "written off" items, including demolished material. I expect that they are the ones that fork out for the demolition in the first place? They ultimately pay out for reconstruction, so would normally be entitled to mitigate those costs with anything salvageable. The same as if your car is written off - the wreck belongs to the insurance company who will then sell it off. > > I would probably bring your observations to the attention of your insurance company > > -----Original Message----- > From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ben Kepes > Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 9:47 a.m. > To: VollyNet > Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > I'm not accusing anyone of anything but I will say that after the first 24 > hours (ie past the "everyman and his dog wearing flouro) and before things > started to get more rigid (around the 2 week mark) there was a degree of > dodginess going on from "emergency workers" - in this case emergency workers > include those doing emergency demolitions and the like on behalf of CD - not > fire or USAR but lumped in with the emergency response > > http://www.diversity.net.nz/something-is-rotten-in-the-state-of-christchurch/2011/03/25/ > > So I'm not saying Newbold was right in naming specific organizations, but I > agree that opportunistic thievery did occur during the emergency response > period > > b > > > ****************************************************************************** > "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and > may be legally privileged. 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Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: <0BD7F86D34174675A78EA6F24194B321@SN2938977271> Message-ID: <1E7B622E6E1A4DFFACAD2E68C1A5DE13@acer20d14aded3> With a grouch? -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ian & Heather King Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 7:22 p.m. To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yes and coming from an ex firefighter too. I am lead to believe he was a firefighter in Auckland in some capacity???? ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Butler To: VollyNet Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder if it possible to take a defamation case, since he is slandering an entire service, and in effect, each individual person in it. What a plonker. Such a poorly worded and erratic article too. It just jumps all over the place. All rumour and generalisations, and in doing so, painting each responder as a potential criminal. What a fantastic way to say thank you to everyone out there that risked their own lives to save others. -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Shane Briggs Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 6:09 p.m. To: VollyNet Cc: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Claims of solders looting in other countries during war doesn't not equal any form of evidence, of search and rescue personnel who put themselves out to HELP others, not rip them off! What an absolute clown, I'm just disappointed the media would even post such a rumor with no evidence. (Sent from iPhone 4) On 4/10/2011, at 15:28, Paul Butler wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756480 > > Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > Someone better have some evidence on this to cast those kind of aspersions.... > > > > **************************************************************************** ** > "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and > may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. > > This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the > Reserve Bank of New Zealand. 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Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From b.p.mcculloch at xtra.co.nz Wed Oct 5 23:10:56 2011 From: b.p.mcculloch at xtra.co.nz (Bruce & Pat McCulloch) Date: Wed Oct 5 23:12:18 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: <1E7B622E6E1A4DFFACAD2E68C1A5DE13@acer20d14aded3> Message-ID: <208659BA105146B686864A045A2FBA3E@acer20d14aded3> What really amazes me about all this is how politically correct he/she appears to be. Once a crim, always a crim. And forever trying to justify themselves. Again once a crim, always a crim. I AM A EX FIREFIGHTER WITH 32 YEARS, AND I NEVER, NEVER SEEN A FIREFIGHTER EVEN INTERESTED IT TAKING/STEALING ANYTHING, PERIOD!!! -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Bruce & Pat McCulloch Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 10:50 p.m. To: 'VollyNet' Subject: RE: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- With a grouch? -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ian & Heather King Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 7:22 p.m. To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yes and coming from an ex firefighter too. I am lead to believe he was a firefighter in Auckland in some capacity???? ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Butler To: VollyNet Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder if it possible to take a defamation case, since he is slandering an entire service, and in effect, each individual person in it. What a plonker. Such a poorly worded and erratic article too. It just jumps all over the place. All rumour and generalisations, and in doing so, painting each responder as a potential criminal. What a fantastic way to say thank you to everyone out there that risked their own lives to save others. -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Shane Briggs Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 6:09 p.m. To: VollyNet Cc: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Claims of solders looting in other countries during war doesn't not equal any form of evidence, of search and rescue personnel who put themselves out to HELP others, not rip them off! What an absolute clown, I'm just disappointed the media would even post such a rumor with no evidence. (Sent from iPhone 4) On 4/10/2011, at 15:28, Paul Butler wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756480 > > Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > Someone better have some evidence on this to cast those kind of aspersions.... > > > > **************************************************************************** ** > "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and > may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. > > This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the > Reserve Bank of New Zealand. 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Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From b.p.mcculloch at xtra.co.nz Wed Oct 5 23:22:14 2011 From: b.p.mcculloch at xtra.co.nz (Bruce & Pat McCulloch) Date: Wed Oct 5 23:23:32 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' In-Reply-To: <208659BA105146B686864A045A2FBA3E@acer20d14aded3> Message-ID: <0A03A797D58744BD9B530436B23BB956@acer20d14aded3> Yeah, I forgot, keep your hand on your wallet, when he's around! -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Bruce & Pat McCulloch Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 11:11 p.m. To: 'VollyNet' Subject: RE: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- What really amazes me about all this is how politically correct he/she appears to be. Once a crim, always a crim. And forever trying to justify themselves. Again once a crim, always a crim. I AM A EX FIREFIGHTER WITH 32 YEARS, AND I NEVER, NEVER SEEN A FIREFIGHTER EVEN INTERESTED IT TAKING/STEALING ANYTHING, PERIOD!!! -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Bruce & Pat McCulloch Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 10:50 p.m. To: 'VollyNet' Subject: RE: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- With a grouch? -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Ian & Heather King Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011 7:22 p.m. To: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yes and coming from an ex firefighter too. I am lead to believe he was a firefighter in Auckland in some capacity???? ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Butler To: VollyNet Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder if it possible to take a defamation case, since he is slandering an entire service, and in effect, each individual person in it. What a plonker. Such a poorly worded and erratic article too. It just jumps all over the place. All rumour and generalisations, and in doing so, painting each responder as a potential criminal. What a fantastic way to say thank you to everyone out there that risked their own lives to save others. -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of Shane Briggs Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2011 6:09 p.m. To: VollyNet Cc: VollyNet Subject: Re: [VollyNet] WTF? Quake looting claims 'outrageous' VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Claims of solders looting in other countries during war doesn't not equal any form of evidence, of search and rescue personnel who put themselves out to HELP others, not rip them off! What an absolute clown, I'm just disappointed the media would even post such a rumor with no evidence. (Sent from iPhone 4) On 4/10/2011, at 15:28, Paul Butler wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10756480 > > Quake looting claims 'outrageous' > Someone better have some evidence on this to cast those kind of aspersions.... > > > > **************************************************************************** ** > "This message (and any files transmitted with it) are confidential and > may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. > > This message does not necessarily reflect the views of the > Reserve Bank of New Zealand. 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Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From gumboot412 at yahoo.co.nz Thu Oct 6 14:35:24 2011 From: gumboot412 at yahoo.co.nz (George M.) Date: Thu Oct 6 14:35:44 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Old forest fire video? Message-ID: <1317864924.88448.YahooMailNeo@web161919.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi all - anyone on either list have a copy of this old film featuring Forest Service firefighting they could pass my way? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi_ttwAetco Cheers, Gummie From a.a.hartley at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 15:08:19 2011 From: a.a.hartley at gmail.com (Anaru Hartley) Date: Thu Oct 6 15:08:53 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Old forest fire video? In-Reply-To: <1317864924.88448.YahooMailNeo@web161919.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1317864924.88448.YahooMailNeo@web161919.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4e8d0da1.24ae340a.4196.ffff82fb@mx.google.com> www.savevid.com -----Original Message----- From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of George M. Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:35 To: vollynet; nzfire@yahoogroups.com Subject: [VollyNet] Old forest fire video? VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hi all - anyone on either list have a copy of this old film featuring Forest Service firefighting they could pass my way? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi_ttwAetco Cheers, Gummie ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From kurtrencher at slingshot.co.nz Thu Oct 6 15:35:55 2011 From: kurtrencher at slingshot.co.nz (Kurt Rencher) Date: Thu Oct 6 15:36:18 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Old forest fire video? In-Reply-To: <4e8d0da1.24ae340a.4196.ffff82fb@mx.google.com> References: <1317864924.88448.YahooMailNeo@web161919.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4e8d0da1.24ae340a.4196.ffff82fb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3AF132EF-D36D-4725-8F27-DBE3314B8F95@slingshot.co.nz> Are you just after that Video there? I can give you a downloadable copy if you like On 6/10/2011, at 3:08 PM, Anaru Hartley wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > www.savevid.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of George M. > Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:35 > To: vollynet; nzfire@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [VollyNet] Old forest fire video? > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi all - anyone on either list have a copy of this old film featuring Forest Service firefighting they could pass my way? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi_ttwAetco > > Cheers, Gummie > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise From gumboot412 at yahoo.co.nz Fri Oct 7 08:42:33 2011 From: gumboot412 at yahoo.co.nz (George M.) Date: Fri Oct 7 08:42:50 2011 Subject: [VollyNet] Old forest fire video? In-Reply-To: <3AF132EF-D36D-4725-8F27-DBE3314B8F95@slingshot.co.nz> References: <1317864924.88448.YahooMailNeo@web161919.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4e8d0da1.24ae340a.4196.ffff82fb@mx.google.com> <3AF132EF-D36D-4725-8F27-DBE3314B8F95@slingshot.co.nz> Message-ID: <1317930153.17896.YahooMailNeo@web161917.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Kurt, yeah - if you can do that I'd appreciate it, email me off list. Cheers, Gummie ________________________________ From: Kurt Rencher To: VollyNet Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [VollyNet] Old forest fire video? VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------- Are you just after that Video there? I can give you a downloadable copy if you like On 6/10/2011, at 3:08 PM, Anaru Hartley wrote: > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > www.savevid.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz [mailto:vollynet-bounces@vollynet.org.nz] On Behalf Of George M. > Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:35 > To: vollynet; nzfire@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [VollyNet] Old forest fire video? > > VOLLYNET : OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTING IN NZ > For information and help see www.vollynet.org.nz > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi all - anyone on either list have a copy of this old film featuring Forest Service firefighting they could pass my way? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi_ttwAetco > > Cheers, Gummie > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles > > ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of > personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise ---------------------------------------------------------------- MEET THE COMMUNITY! Visit www.vollynet.org.nz/profiles ALL posts to VollyNet should be considered statements of personal opinion only unless specifically stated otherwise